Man, put the shovel down, you're deep enough....

* My example was right on the money. Why should we bench better players just because there's a rookie playing his position? What kind of message does that send to the rest of the roster when youth holds priority over talent and hard work?

* Man, did you think you had anyone fooled about playing in college? Quick, hotshot, what's your european neighbor's name (the one that played in Milos's league)? Or is that none of my business either? Man, do your super duper cool instant messanger buddies know how much of a liar you are?

* You take someone else's trade as an example, and you get it wrong. It was Eisley for Marc Jackson. And hey, sure it'd be a nice trade, but Minny prolly wouldn't do it, especially if Rasho doesn't resign, since their only other option at center would be Loren Woods. And it doesn't exctly do much contract wise, as Marc is signed for 5 years, 21 million. But don't worry about it, it's not like you came up with it.

* But the one you did come up with is terrific! Othella to the Suns for Jake? Terrific! But, uh, could you come up with one for this year? Thanks.

* A healthy Dice alone is enough to take us to the ECF, especially when you look at the conference right now. There isn't anyone who's unbeatable, and it'll remain wide open next year too.

* Milos will develop regardless of what age his teammates are. but more importantly, where's your ticket for the Milos bandwagon? I coulda sworn you ripped it up 2 pages ago. Or did your European neighbor give you an extra one?

* Stop trying to strike a chord with me on management. Of course I don't like them. They'd done some stupid stuff. But I like them a hell of a lot more than I like you. We aren't arguing because of them, we're arguing because you're a moronic liar.

* You wanna know what's really classic? The way you denied any need to show a diploma, cause you got me all wrong. I don't want a diploma, I want a full name, college, position and year. C'mon dukes, you're averages can't be that crappy...

[Edited by - fmoran on 03/14/2003 12:43:36]

"The Knicks really aren't that small. Look at everyone else in the East. With McDyess back next year, they'll have a PF at 6'9", two backups who are 6'7" and 6'8" (true, Harrington and Spoon are small, but Spoon's an excellent rebounder and Harrington is effective in the post.) Thomas, at 6'9" is as big as any center in the East. Doleac, say all you want about him being white and having a bad haircut, he's a big body who can hit a 15' foot J, a very nice piece to have as a 10th or 11th guy on the bench. Look at the rest of the teams in the East and you're going to tell me they're a whole lot better then the Knicks."-The funniest thing about this is that I am right. The Knicks have inferior perimeter players (as opposed to other teams in the east like Magic w/ Tmac and Philly w/ AI), but the post guys are just as small as everyone in the east with exceptions to the Pacers. I didn't say they had a frontline full of Shaq's you moron, I said they weren't smaller then anyone else.

Hey, let's laugh at out of text quotes like...

"I know who this kid is, my next door neighbor played in the European league, Iknow all about milos.... "-Real believable.

"And the real idiot is you I have played Hs and college bal"-I doubt you're even in HS. And we're still waiting for just your name and year and college. Or does your mom not let you give that information out?

Or how about this "classic" as you like to call them:
"The knicks could have traded Othella to the suns a year ago, I think the package involved Jake tskalidas, a good trade for the knicks, Jake is 7'0 decent and young.... "-Jake's averaging 5 points and 4 rebounds as opposed to Othella's 7 and 6. It's a stupid point if you're going to say just grab him for size becuase Doleac is putting up identical numbers and is an inch smaller. To paraphrase a quote from you "OH ROFL LMAO LOL THIS IS GREAT."

"Damn you are foolish.. I may just put this in the realgm. board"-Please, go there and don't come back. This board is much better without idiots like you.

Once again, I'm not going to argue with you because there's no point, you refuse to recognize facts, just know that we're all laughing at you.


[Edited by - bigsm00th on 03/14/2003 16:44:15]

BTW Two Stooges:


Once again, I'm not going to argue with you

Well good please stop with your silly posts...
I hardly call this an argument, neithe one of you have made any sense, I get shyt like, Doleac is good and Othella is a low post threat..LMAO!!! come on dukes

And the one about the knicks in the ECF with dice.. Sso fmoron: you mean to tell me that Dice alone makes the knicks 15 games better!!!!! HA!!! you are a fool...

You need to follow your girlfriend BIG DUMMY and Quit while you are behind....

I am done with you two internet fags....

Posted by Fordy74:

If only the Knicks' play was as explosive as this thread.

Or the defense as agressive and confusing as tkf.

* I did come up with more on Marc Jackson. Are you even reading?

* None of the teams in the East are that good. That's why six teams are still in contention for the No.1 seed. And that's why the Knicks with Dice are right up there as well.

* You know what's really funny? How no one who's read this believes you played in college or have a Euro league neighbor, because I called bull****. You never played in high school. And you definitely never played in college. Oh you have a neighbor alright: Vlade Eyedunexizt. And the funniest thing? You can't prove me wrong.

* Wait, scratch that. The funniest thing is you asking for facts. Here's a fact: you never played college ball. LOL.

* I love how you pick the one line from my post you think you can prove wrong and ignore everything else. And you think I'm not making any sense. Trust me, the reason you aren't arguing anything else isn't because you don't understand me, but because you do understand me and there's nothing left to argue.

* Well, now you got my curiosity going. What stopped ya from going pro? Were you the next Mike before injuries wreaked havoc? Is your neighbor Michael Pietrus? Or Darko? Did they retire your high school jersey? What number were ya? Can you at least gimme a name and pretend you're somebody else so we can keep the fun going?

* You're done when I say you're done. Prove me wrong. Try and prove anything wrong at this point. I'm begging ya.

I couldn't resist: but to the two fools who said they proved me wrong, who said the Knicks are not that small with a front line of 6'9,6'6,6'5 ( and those are generous on at least two of them) I will give you this comming straight from the knicks coaches mouth..

McDyess' presence yesterday got Don Chaney on a roll about the team's lack of size. "Look at the teams that are good defensive teams, they're teams with at least a big anchor or a couple of big anchors," Chaney said. "That's what it takes. You've got to have size. You've got to be able to match up. If you're undersized at one position, you've got to have a big guy to protect the basket. We miss that right now. We miss the size factor, to me, more than anything else."

LOL.. yea you two stooges proved me wrong.... I guess you two know more than chaney about the knicks size issue...OH I forgot we got that low post presence in Othella and Doleac is just a stud 12th man oFF the bench..LMAO!!!! Big dummy, I will never let you live that comment down....

OK now i am done!!!!

Man, did you just say you weren't gonna let Big Smooth live something down?

* Explaining to me how easy it is to lie about the college you went to isn't helping your case, bro. Why don't you just tell me? Like you said, it's not like I'd know any different.

* I can't bait you? Whatever you say...

* But hey, since you're in question answering mode, try these on: did you and your bro both play college? Who is the better brother? Who was your coach at college? How many years did you play? Who was the best player on the team? How old are ya? Do you live "here in Georgia" or in NY? What college did you play at again? What's your name? What's your neighbor's name? What's the big deal? Were you that bad? Was your neighbor?

* The Knicks are not in contention in the East now because our starting power forward went down for the season. Do that to most other top East team (Indiana, New Jersey, Boston) and I'd like to see them make the playoffs. Sure we can improve in other areas, and we will. But that piece alone makes us that much better.

* As far as Chaney's comments, listen to what he says: we need an anchor. Like say, a defensive center. I agree there, and have agreed before in this thread. We could use a big, shot blocking center (who couldn't in the east?). But don't confuse this with needing everyone that isn't a 1 or 2 to be 6'9 and up. I'll take talent over size anyday. And all we have to do is grab a big guy who loves defense (like Sofoklis) in the draft and the Knicks will be fine. Thomas is a great post defender, as is Dice, and give Chaney another big body and we've got a rotation that can hold it's own at both ends. I'm sure Chaney would agree there too.

* You know, we're having so much fun proving each other wrong, I thought I'd make a list of all the things I've shut you up about (boy it's long):

- The Knicks should have made a move at the deadline.
- Blowing up the team is very possible regardless of contracts.
- We can dump the contracts of Eisley and Anderson.
- We could have brought in the young guys who will be running the league years from now with what we could have offered.
- McDyess is done.
- Milos isn't the kind of young player the Knicks need because he's from Europe, he's a second rounder, and because he's never played in the NBA.
- Houston isn't a player you'd want, you are just forced to keep him.
- Playing "imaginary" college basketball makes your argument mean more.
- The way the Knicks use Williams and Postell reflects directly how they'd use a lottery pick.
- Waiting for Dice's return has been going on for far too long, even if it hasn't even been a season.
- Even with Milos and Dice, we have too many flaws to be a good team.
- Lebron James would probably play as much as Williams if the Knicks drafted him.
- This team has no plan.
- Ignoring anything that won't garner a championship is the sign of a realistic fan.
- Height is more important than talent.
- The Knicks should play Williams and Postell rather than better players because we shouldn't reward our best players with playing time, shouldn't try to win, and should send a message that the players will only be measured by how good they'll be five years from now, not what they can do now.
- We can do more rebuilding now than we can in a few years, when some of the lesser contracts expire.
- Other teams have more talent, so it only makes sense that we should be able to trade our overpaid, less talented players for their's.
- "Unproven" players, by definition, are players who everyone knows will be great players years from now, and have proven that over their 2-5 years in the league.
- Waiting for McDyess does nothing for us, regardless of talent potential and contract size.
- You don't need to mention realistic trades because you use generic examples. In fact, your ideas of dumping contracts and getting younger aren't generic, their your very own.
- You are not required to reply if you cannot pick out a minimum of one line that you think you can argue.
- By showing other team's trades of veterans for youth, you've shown how the Knicks can do it, regardless of how different the contract and talent situations are.
- There is no need to discuss the Marc Jackson trade any further since you can argue the borrowed trade by pretending I didn't say anything.

And of course, the classic:
- You played college ball.

* Are you ready to hand the shovel over son?

[Edited by - fmoran on 03/16/2003 15:23:56]

Ah, finally some examples of how the Knicks can get rid of big contracts.

"would have offered the clipps, Sprewell, Frank williams and either a future first round pick, for Odom, and wilcox. Would the clipps do it?"- Great idea! Too bad it doesn't work under the CBA. (And I bet the Clips would be willing to give up their most talented player and a PF when Brand is probably going to sign elsewhere this offseason.)

"Another trade, Ward, othella and denvers pick to the bucks for Tim thomas and Przbilla... True Tim thomas has a huge contract but he is a young player at 6'10 with loads of upside, in 4 years when his deal is nearing completion he will only be 28 or 29 and very tradeable at that age...pryzbilla is a 7 foot player and young that could give you size and minutes plus he can rebound down low..."-Also an awesome idea but also impossible due to the CBA. Also, I hear George Karl is dying to get another point guard, he could really use one (Payton and Cassel really stink.) And he's also dying to give up his only, and I mean his ONLY, big man for "6'6" Othella Harrington.

"sorry Big smooth othella is not a low post presence"-I never said he was, I said he was serviceable down low. In fact, my exact words were "Harrington is effective in the post". I didn't mean he would score 20 and 10, I meant he could come in and give you a bucket or two with his back to the basket and grab some rebounds.

And come on, just don't even respond, fmoran absolutely took it to you with that list he made. Ha, nobody can come back from that, not even a high school standout like you.