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djsunyc
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3/5/2007  2:52 PM 

2006/2007
      min    pts   fga   fg%    fta   ft%    reb   blks
nov   30.9   15.0  10.9  52.9   6.4   54.6   6.5   0.3
dec   36.1   21.6  14.1  57.9   8.8   60.0   7.9   0.8
jan   36.4   22.1  12.6  63.3   8.9   69.4   6.6   0.6
feb   37.3   20.3  11.8  63.9   8.4   61.9   7.5   0.5
mar   35.0   15.5  12.5  40.0   11.0  50.0   5.5   0.5


2005/2006
      min    pts   fga   fg%    fta   ft%    reb   blks
nov   23.2   12.6  8.4   50.0   6.6   63.6   6.5   1.3
dec   26.1   14.4  8.7   56.4   7.2   64.6   6.2   0.8
jan   29.9   16.0  10.5  54.2   7.3   63.8   6.8   0.6
feb   25.8   11.2  6.9   50.6   6.4   64.9   5.6   1.0
mar   26.8   14.9  8.5   64.7   6.5   60.4   6.4   0.6
apr   21.7   11.3  5.9   61.5   6.5   61.9   4.1   0.6


there are his per minutes stats:

         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      0.56            0.52
fga's    0.36            0.32
fta's    0.23            0.26
rebs     0.20            0.23
blks     0.02            0.03


[Edited by - djsunyc on 03-05-2007 3:20 PM]
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3/5/2007  2:55 PM
So the only difference is more minutes which leads to more FG/FT attempts and 3 more points on average.
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3/5/2007  2:56 PM
he gotta get that FT shooting avg up... & seems like he's focusing so much on staying out of foul trouble so he can stay out on the floor that his shot blocks are going down.
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Posted by islesfan:

So the only difference is more minutes which leads to more FG/FT attempts and 3 more points on average.

...and the reason he has more minutes is because he is not committing stupid fouls like last year. This seems to give us a more balanced team as now we are able to play inside out for more minutes of the game. Hmmm, interesting...
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3/5/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

So the only difference is more minutes which leads to more FG/FT attempts and 3 more points on average.


there are his per minutes stats:

         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      0.56            0.52
fga's    0.36            0.32
fta's    0.23            0.26
rebs     0.20            0.23
blks     0.02            0.03

I don't see the huge improvement that people keep talking about.

Aside from taking 7 years to figure out that you can't just lower your shoulder into a defender he's basically the same player.
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3/5/2007  3:13 PM
nah, his moves in the paint are a lot more refined than they were in CHI... you can see it... his footwork & body positioning is better... remember, he's also putting up those #'s against consistent double & triple teams this year, whereas he wasn't getting that type of attention before.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by islesfan:

So the only difference is more minutes which leads to more FG/FT attempts and 3 more points on average.


there are his per minutes stats:

         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      0.56            0.52
fga's    0.36            0.32
fta's    0.23            0.26
rebs     0.20            0.23
blks     0.02            0.03

I don't see the huge improvement that people keep talking about.

Aside from taking 7 years to figure out that you can't just lower your shoulder into a defender he's basically the same player.

Ummm... Isnt Curry number 1 in points in the paint in the NBA this year. I will call that an improvement. What about you?
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3/5/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by TMS:

nah, his moves in the paint are a lot more refined than they were in CHI... you can see it... his footwork & body positioning is better... remember, he's also putting up those #'s against consistent double & triple teams this year, whereas he wasn't getting that type of attention before.

I agree.
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3/5/2007  3:27 PM
made the numbers per 40 minutes, think it makes a little more sense that way.


         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      22.4            20.8
fga's    14.4            12.8
fta's    9.2             10.4
rebs     8.0             9.2
blks     0.8             1.2


not sure the blocks are accurate, i think there's a lot of rounding error X 40 in there...
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3/5/2007  3:28 PM
40% from the field is alarming.
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3/5/2007  3:29 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

made the numbers per 40 minutes, think it makes a little more sense that way.


         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      22.4            20.8
fga's    14.4            12.8
fta's    9.2             10.4
rebs     8.0             9.2
blks     0.8             1.2


not sure the blocks are accurate, i think there's a lot of rounding error X 40 in there...

i went to the hundreths on my rounding...and the only real impact in rounding was in the blocks department b/c the #'s were so low.
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Posted by djsunyc:

i went to the hundreths on my rounding...and the only real impact in rounding was in the blocks department b/c the #'s were so low.

yup, that's what i meant. thanks for the numbers.
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3/5/2007  3:35 PM
i think per minute statlines are a horrible way of charting progress in a player (no offense dj)... u don't get a true feel of how much a player has improved unless you're watching them play on a daily basis & see how they're getting those #'s.
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3/5/2007  3:39 PM
Be focusing out of foul trouble do you mean moving out of the way when anyone gets in the lane. I seriously can't remember once this year when eddy really put someone on their ass, i need more fire from Eddy.

20 pounds lighter he would be blowing by people, and averaging 3pts and 2rbs more a game
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3/5/2007  3:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think per minute statlines are a horrible way of charting progress in a player (no offense dj)... u don't get a true feel of how much a player has improved unless you're watching them play on a daily basis & see how they're getting those #'s.

all these #'s are showing us is their actual tangible production on the court. it has nothing to do with their improvement or perceived improvement or regression. but the #'s are interesting b/c it seems like curry is a different player. but the question bodes, is he really a better player or is it b/c he's getting more minutes? i don't think anyone can answer that. and this is all about the individual. not impact on the team or anything like that. just charting the individual player's stats.
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3/5/2007  4:06 PM
Posted by Masterplan:

made the numbers per 40 minutes, think it makes a little more sense that way.


         06/07           05/06
         2092 mins       1869 mins
pts      22.4            20.8
fga's    14.4            12.8
fta's    9.2             10.4
rebs     8.0             9.2
blks     0.8             1.2


not sure the blocks are accurate, i think there's a lot of rounding error X 40 in there...

The decrease in rebounding and shot-blocking is what's really discouraging. Those were the areas he was supposed to be working on!
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3/5/2007  4:52 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:

i think per minute statlines are a horrible way of charting progress in a player (no offense dj)... u don't get a true feel of how much a player has improved unless you're watching them play on a daily basis & see how they're getting those #'s.

all these #'s are showing us is their actual tangible production on the court. it has nothing to do with their improvement or perceived improvement or regression. but the #'s are interesting b/c it seems like curry is a different player. but the question bodes, is he really a better player or is it b/c he's getting more minutes? i don't think anyone can answer that. and this is all about the individual. not impact on the team or anything like that. just charting the individual player's stats.

u can use the stats as a tool that way, i agree... but i'm talking about people who look at these stats & use them as the sole means of judging how much or how little a player has improved over the course of a season... i think it's very arbitrary... the best & most fair way to judge is by watching them play obviously

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3/5/2007  4:55 PM
I actually thought his best season on offense was his contract year in Chicago when he scored at a comparable rate but was doing it on a near 50 win playoff team and sharing the ball with many more scorers. You could argue that he's a comparable offensive player now but it's hard to argue that he's actually better now.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 03-05-2007 4:56 PM]
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Posted by TMS:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by TMS:

i think per minute statlines are a horrible way of charting progress in a player (no offense dj)... u don't get a true feel of how much a player has improved unless you're watching them play on a daily basis & see how they're getting those #'s.

all these #'s are showing us is their actual tangible production on the court. it has nothing to do with their improvement or perceived improvement or regression. but the #'s are interesting b/c it seems like curry is a different player. but the question bodes, is he really a better player or is it b/c he's getting more minutes? i don't think anyone can answer that. and this is all about the individual. not impact on the team or anything like that. just charting the individual player's stats.

u can use the stats as a tool that way, i agree... but i'm talking about people who look at these stats & use them as the sole means of judging how much or how little a player has improved over the course of a season... i think it's very arbitrary... the best & most fair way to judge is by watching them play obviously

Or you can do both.

The numbers say that any improvement is modest at best with most of it attributed to the increase in minutes.

Watching him it's obvious that he's a huge liability on defense and doesn't or can't carry a team. If a team doesn't focus it's offense on him, he loses focus and disappears for long stretches.
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