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djsunyc
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3/1/2007  2:19 PM
let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.
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3/1/2007  2:21 PM
i will not argue. When we get the ball moving we play so much better at BOTH ends of the floor. Watch that classic game vs Detroit this year we were movin the ball like water and looked like a real TEAM.

I wish we had a Deron Williams/Chris Paul on our team......... sigh
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3/1/2007  2:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.

Those teams all had one or two very good bigs that the guard successfully complimented. So, are you saying that Eddy Curry and David Lee are ours? Maybe, but I wouldn't equate us as being in nearly the same situation as the Suns or Nets were in at the times they acquired their star guards. It's very tough to get the right pieces. We also need some major defensive help and a shooter.
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djsunyc
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Posted by Solace:
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.

Those teams all had one or two very good bigs that the guard successfully complimented. So, are you saying that Eddy Curry and David Lee are ours? Maybe, but I wouldn't equate us as being in nearly the same situation as the Suns or Nets were in at the times they acquired their star guards. It's very tough to get the right pieces. We also need some major defensive help and a shooter.

i'll put it to you this way, you put any one of those point guards on this team, and we make the playoffs. pieces for a title are a completely different thing, but one player, and mainly the point guard, can change the fortunes of a team rather quickly.
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3/1/2007  2:26 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.

Those teams all had one or two very good bigs that the guard successfully complimented. So, are you saying that Eddy Curry and David Lee are ours? Maybe, but I wouldn't equate us as being in nearly the same situation as the Suns or Nets were in at the times they acquired their star guards. It's very tough to get the right pieces. We also need some major defensive help and a shooter.

i'll put it to you this way, you put any one of those point guards on this team, and we make the playoffs. pieces for a title are a completely different thing, but one player, and mainly the point guard, can change the fortunes of a team rather quickly.

Sure, teams that don't play defense can make the playoffs. However... why would we want to 'settle'? I'd rather fill in the hard to get pieces first. We won't get a real point guard in here until Marbury, Francis, and possibly Nate are no longer Knicks. That's just the sad reality of the situation.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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3/1/2007  2:30 PM
i disagree... i think our biggest need is a defensive presence down low... we don't have one... D Lee, Channing & Curry are all poor defenders, Turd is way out of shape & useless, & Cato is not being used at all for some reason... Malik is solid against slower more physical players in the post, but he's too undersized to make much of an impact in most games.

we really need a game changing shot intimidator, especially in the closing 5 minutes of games when the Knicks either win or lose games trying to get stops.
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3/1/2007  2:56 PM
There is no one big need. There's a million flaws to this roster and no assets to use to address them.
islesfan
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3/1/2007  3:00 PM
I thought we had 4 PG's already and that was before drafting Collins.

Do we really need another one?
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
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3/1/2007  3:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.

You could also add teams like


Utah who have Deron Williams as a center piece.


and even


Charlotte who now have Felton running the show instead of Brevin Knight and they are a more consistently competitive team this yr. They are missing one complementary part from being very dangerous.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 03-01-2007 2:20 PM]
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I think this team as currently constructed needs to address the frontcourt primarily. If the philosophy changes yet again and builds the team totally around the youth then the primary need would be a point gaurd.
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Posted by TrueBlue:

I think this team as currently constructed needs to address the frontcourt primarily. If the philosophy changes yet again and builds the team totally around the youth then the primary need would be a point gaurd.

But look at how bad the backcourt is. They're either old, breaking down and on the downside of their careers or they just stink.

3 1/2 years and Isiah still hasn't found a young guard to build with.
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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think this team as currently constructed needs to address the frontcourt primarily. If the philosophy changes yet again and builds the team totally around the youth then the primary need would be a point gaurd.

But look at how bad the backcourt is. They're either old, breaking down and on the downside of their careers or they just stink.

3 1/2 years and Isiah still hasn't found a young guard to build with.


Yeah I can see the reasoning behind this. It's been the Celtics main problem but they have more youth than vets. This team doesn't have a problem scoring so whatever need is adressed has to be a defensive one and I feel it has to be a frontcourt player. They either need a player who defends 4 and 5's really good or a shot blocker who make players think 2 about coming in the paint. Quite honestly every backcourt player gets burned in this league, but what transpires after this happens is the key.
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3/1/2007  4:17 PM
Channing Frye, Nate Robinson, Jamal Crawford, plus 3 million for Brevin Knight and a resigned Gerald Wallace....

Sign Pietrus or Stevenson and lets get it in gear
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3/1/2007  4:36 PM
Marbury has been a better PG this year than ever before
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3/1/2007  5:29 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

There is no one big need. There's a million flaws to this roster and no assets to use to address them.

yeah you're right... this team is doomed until the next millenium & really, there's no point in watching them play or even rooting for them... everyone let's stop posting on this board... this franchise is done... D-U-N DONE!
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3/1/2007  6:13 PM
We agree!
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3/1/2007  6:56 PM

If Pippen is supposedly coming out of retirement, maybe we can get Walt to come back for the Knicks. Probably still better than Marbury.
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3/1/2007  8:49 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think this team as currently constructed needs to address the frontcourt primarily. If the philosophy changes yet again and builds the team totally around the youth then the primary need would be a point gaurd.

But look at how bad the backcourt is. They're either old, breaking down and on the downside of their careers or they just stink.

3 1/2 years and Isiah still hasn't found a young guard to build with.

I still say Crawford would make a very good starting PG - he plays much more under control when he's running the team solo and not co-piloting with Marbury.

but the Marbury and Francis moves have not been good.



but, yeah, in the "new" NBA, you need a PG who can run the floor and find the passing lanes. Lowry or Rondo or Marcus Williams would have been such a steal at 20 last year. sigh...

[Edited by - crzymdups on 03-01-2007 8:49 PM]
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3/2/2007  12:03 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by TrueBlue:

I think this team as currently constructed needs to address the frontcourt primarily. If the philosophy changes yet again and builds the team totally around the youth then the primary need would be a point gaurd.

But look at how bad the backcourt is. They're either old, breaking down and on the downside of their careers or they just stink.

3 1/2 years and Isiah still hasn't found a young guard to build with.

I still say Crawford would make a very good starting PG - he plays much more under control when he's running the team solo and not co-piloting with Marbury.
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3/2/2007  12:07 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

let's look at some recent "quick" turnarounds:

1. nash in pheonix
2. kidd in nj
3. paul in new orleans
4. tj/calderon in toronto
5. and to a more recent and lesser extent, andre in philly

teams that changed their fortunes quickly with the addition of a true, team oriented, get everybody involved point guard.

we need a point guard.

We don't need a point guard. We have everything we need.
I'll never trust this' team again.
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