[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Renaldo Balkman vs Marcus Williams re-visited
Author Thread
playa2
Posts: 34922
Alba Posts: 15
Joined: 5/15/2003
Member: #407

2/28/2007  12:29 PM
Now how much would Williams help the knicks if zeke takes him before balkman in last yrs draft.

I watch the nets play Williams more and more showing NBA teams(even the knicks) that he could have easily been taken earlier in the draft.


With jamal's injury we have no guard that we can blindly trust to run the point while trying to make a push for the playoffs.

We are 1 pg(marbury)injury away from disaster.

I like balkman , but IMHO if Mardy Collins can't pick up the slack we made the wrong choice taken balkman so early.

Discuss
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
AUTOADVERT
jaydh
Posts: 23174
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/16/2001
Member: #96
2/28/2007  12:38 PM
Yea, because crawford did so well. At least Nate can penetrate, Nate can shoot at a higher %, and Collins is better handling the ball.
oohah
Posts: 26600
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 4/7/2005
Member: #887
2/28/2007  12:40 PM
You're absolutely right. We have a need for a turn-over prone, no defense playing shooting guard who throws a nice alley-oop pass.

Williams fits the description perfectly. I present to you Jamal Crawford Jr., Mr. Marcus Williams!

oohah

Good luck Mike D'Antoni, 'cause you ain't never seen nothing like this before!
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
2/28/2007  12:42 PM
Posted by playa2:

Now how much would Williams help the knicks if zeke takes him before balkman in last yrs draft.

I watch the nets play Williams more and more showing NBA teams(even the knicks) that he could have easily been taken earlier in the draft.


With jamal's injury we have no guard that we can blindly trust to run the point while trying to make a push for the playoffs.

We are 1 pg(marbury)injury away from disaster.

I like balkman , but IMHO if Mardy Collins can't pick up the slack we made the wrong choice taken balkman so early.

Discuss

Not to be picky here but the KNicks lost a SG not a PG. I rather would have guaranteed a like Roby the pick then use it on Williams or Balkman to be honest. I thought SG would be an issue here this season. Not pg. Williams does nothing for me if can't shoot it on a regular basis. I need a athlethic 6'6" SG/SF that can just shoot and drive and can play decent defense. Richard Roby would have been a nice addition. I know he is struggling some this year but has the ability. The Knicks will be INSANE not to think about this guy with a second round pick.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
Solace
Posts: 30002
Alba Posts: 20
Joined: 10/30/2003
Member: #479
USA
2/28/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by oohah:

You're absolutely right. We have a need for a turn-over prone, no defense playing shooting guard who throws a nice alley-oop pass.

Williams fits the description perfectly. I present to you Jamal Crawford Jr., Mr. Marcus Williams!

oohah

Don't be silly.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/28/2007  1:03 PM
Can we revisit Maciej Lampe, Mike Sweetney and Eric Chenowith while we're at it?
once a knick always a knick
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
2/28/2007  1:07 PM
i'm still pissed that we passed on Ron Artest.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
MS
Posts: 27064
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
2/28/2007  1:34 PM
I think we missed some good players Williams being one he will be good everyone knows it, i also think lowry would have been a nice addition because he is a leader/defender, alexander johnson as well i really liked....

no one knew about milsap, however he did lead college basketball in rebounding, which is always a great sign, but Balkman will be fine, he would have been there at 29, isiah can lie all he wants but chances are if your in the media guide and no one knows who you are, and are not an international player your not being taking at 21.

I am happy with balkman, and if Isiah had a brain he would be playing the kid a lot more, but our coach has to make our gm look like he has some semblance of an idea how to put a team together.....
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
2/28/2007  1:39 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by playa2:

Now how much would Williams help the knicks if zeke takes him before balkman in last yrs draft.

I watch the nets play Williams more and more showing NBA teams(even the knicks) that he could have easily been taken earlier in the draft.


With jamal's injury we have no guard that we can blindly trust to run the point while trying to make a push for the playoffs.

We are 1 pg(marbury)injury away from disaster.

I like balkman , but IMHO if Mardy Collins can't pick up the slack we made the wrong choice taken balkman so early.

Discuss

Not to be picky here but the KNicks lost a SG not a PG. I rather would have guaranteed a like Roby the pick then use it on Williams or Balkman to be honest. I thought SG would be an issue here this season. Not pg. Williams does nothing for me if can't shoot it on a regular basis. I need a athlethic 6'6" SG/SF that can just shoot and drive and can play decent defense. Richard Roby would have been a nice addition. I know he is struggling some this year but has the ability. The Knicks will be INSANE not to think about this guy with a second round pick.

Who has been playing backup PG? I'm pretty sure it's been Crawford.

Marcus Williams could have been a nice starting PG in training and a good backup right now. He's certainly better than anything they have on the roster right now.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
misterearl
Posts: 38786
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/16/2004
Member: #799
USA
2/28/2007  1:46 PM
>>I am happy with balkman, and if Isiah had a brain he would be playing the kid a lot more, but our coach has to make our gm look like he has some semblance of an idea how to put a team together.....

MS - I think the Knicks coach is just trying to find a way to defeat the Boston Celtics on the road missing David Lee and Jamal Crawford.

Too bad that Isiah is, as (cough) you say, without brains

MS - where do you keep your NCAA/NBA Championship rings stored?
once a knick always a knick
Pharzeone
Posts: 32183
Alba Posts: 14
Joined: 2/11/2005
Member: #871
2/28/2007  1:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by playa2:

Now how much would Williams help the knicks if zeke takes him before balkman in last yrs draft.

I watch the nets play Williams more and more showing NBA teams(even the knicks) that he could have easily been taken earlier in the draft.


With jamal's injury we have no guard that we can blindly trust to run the point while trying to make a push for the playoffs.

We are 1 pg(marbury)injury away from disaster.

I like balkman , but IMHO if Mardy Collins can't pick up the slack we made the wrong choice taken balkman so early.

Discuss

Not to be picky here but the KNicks lost a SG not a PG. I rather would have guaranteed a like Roby the pick then use it on Williams or Balkman to be honest. I thought SG would be an issue here this season. Not pg. Williams does nothing for me if can't shoot it on a regular basis. I need a athlethic 6'6" SG/SF that can just shoot and drive and can play decent defense. Richard Roby would have been a nice addition. I know he is struggling some this year but has the ability. The Knicks will be INSANE not to think about this guy with a second round pick.

Who has been playing backup PG? I'm pretty sure it's been Crawford.

Marcus Williams could have been a nice starting PG in training and a good backup right now. He's certainly better than anything they have on the roster right now.

Nate will be playing more of the PG role which he should be. I am talking about Crawford as a SG. His injury forces Thomas to play Nate more but he still has an issue with the fact that he is now down a SG which in my opinion more important then who is running point. I watch enough to know that Williams could have backed up Marbury but he is not effective when asked to play the 2 spot because he is consistent enough even by Crawford standards. He is very streaky. Roby would have been a nice pick up in addition to a Balkman. Nate is too small to backup Q Rich. Now the Knicks will have to ask Marbury to play more minutes at both the 1 and 2. Jalen Rose would have help out but that guy is bad news.
I don't like to play bad rookies , I like to play good rookies - Mike D'Antoni
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
2/28/2007  1:53 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by playa2:

Now how much would Williams help the knicks if zeke takes him before balkman in last yrs draft.

I watch the nets play Williams more and more showing NBA teams(even the knicks) that he could have easily been taken earlier in the draft.


With jamal's injury we have no guard that we can blindly trust to run the point while trying to make a push for the playoffs.

We are 1 pg(marbury)injury away from disaster.

I like balkman , but IMHO if Mardy Collins can't pick up the slack we made the wrong choice taken balkman so early.

Discuss

Not to be picky here but the KNicks lost a SG not a PG. I rather would have guaranteed a like Roby the pick then use it on Williams or Balkman to be honest. I thought SG would be an issue here this season. Not pg. Williams does nothing for me if can't shoot it on a regular basis. I need a athlethic 6'6" SG/SF that can just shoot and drive and can play decent defense. Richard Roby would have been a nice addition. I know he is struggling some this year but has the ability. The Knicks will be INSANE not to think about this guy with a second round pick.

Who has been playing backup PG? I'm pretty sure it's been Crawford.

Marcus Williams could have been a nice starting PG in training and a good backup right now. He's certainly better than anything they have on the roster right now.

Nate will be playing more of the PG role which he should be. I am talking about Crawford as a SG. His injury forces Thomas to play Nate more but he still has an issue with the fact that he is now down a SG which in my opinion more important then who is running point. I watch enough to know that Williams could have backed up Marbury but he is not effective when asked to play the 2 spot because he is consistent enough even by Crawford standards. He is very streaky. Roby would have been a nice pick up in addition to a Balkman. Nate is too small to backup Q Rich. Now the Knicks will have to ask Marbury to play more minutes at both the 1 and 2. Jalen Rose would have help out but that guy is bad news.

Nate has no business playing PG. He has no clue how to run a team. He's more interested in his own offense. Marcus Williams isn't a SG but he's had to play that position because they want him to get some playing time with Kidd taking a vast majority of the minutes at PG. Judging him as a SG is unfair.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
MS
Posts: 27064
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/28/2004
Member: #724
2/28/2007  2:14 PM
Ok please defend the following

Starting Marbury and Francis?

Starting Jerome James

Not Starting David Lee

Signing Jefferies and playing him over the teams best shotblocking, and high energy guy?
TheGame
Posts: 26656
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2006
Member: #1154
USA
2/28/2007  2:18 PM
I like Balkman. Maybe we could have had both, but Balkman is a player. This guy is basically a more athletic and defensive-minded David Lee (Balkman obviously needs to work on offense though). When both of them are on the court together, no rebound is safe. Plus, Balkman is an excellent shot-blocker for a small forward. This kid needs to be getting 20 minutes a game and hopefully that will happen with Crawford out. Williams is a good player, but since Marbury is going to be our PG for the next two years barring injury, we still have time to get a PG of the future. I think Balkman, if he can develop a consistent outside shot, will be our SF of the future. Balkman, Lee, and Curry, Knicks frontline for the next 5-6 years.
Trust the Process
MaTT4281
Posts: 35339
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #538
USA
2/28/2007  3:02 PM
Gotta love Renaldo. I have absolutely no problem with taking him, and I'd still take him over Williams if we had to do it again.
I think it's hard to prove that Balkman would still be there at 29, but if you honestly believe that, then the debate should be Marcus Williams vs. Mardy Collins.

Obviously I'd take him before Collins...but next time I get a chance to go to the Garden, I'm starting the Mardy chants!
JUNKMEIN
Posts: 20401
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 11/14/2004
Member: #797
2/28/2007  3:16 PM
How about trying Balkman at the shooting guard position. He probably wouldn't put up any lower of a shooting percentage than Jamal. He can certainly handle the rock and he can definitely pass the ball. I saw him hit a 3 the other day that makes me think that he can develop a consistent J. Why not give it a try? It sure can't hurt.

[Edited by - Junkmein on 02-28-2007 3:17 PM]
Michael6835
Posts: 21319
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/12/2004
Member: #828
2/28/2007  3:18 PM
These type of things happen all the time, teams have no way of predicting how good or bad a player is going to be. Plenty of teams have drafted people at number 1 with all the promise (Olakacandi, joe smith, darko) and they don't amount to anything. Then you get players like Lee and Rip, etc
So to revisit this all the time is pointless, Balkman is working out fine, he works on a few things in the off season and he is going to be fine.
M
Ira
Posts: 24693
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/14/2001
Member: #91
2/28/2007  3:24 PM
I agree that Lowry would have been the best pick. But as far as the situation Isaiah was facing at the draft, he had the worst defensive team in the league. Williams is known as a bad defensive player; Balkman is known as a very good one.

Both draft picks and the mid-level signing had to do with upgrading defense. Anyone can see that this was necessary.
arkrud
Posts: 32217
Alba Posts: 7
Joined: 8/31/2005
Member: #995
USA
2/28/2007  3:36 PM
Both Rob and Collins are half players
They cannot be a plus for the team.
Little things they do good will be negated by things they do bad. And then the things they have no idea how to do because of no-experience will put them in the minus zone.
It is nothing wrong with this - this is expected from 1-2 year players.
Balkman is also in the same boat so no one of this 3 is a solution for Jamal loss.

But it is very interesting to see how all 3 will respond to the challenge.
We will find out mush faster what they are all about. Very interesting... [No sarcasm]
"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy." Hamlet
franco12
Posts: 34069
Alba Posts: 4
Joined: 2/19/2004
Member: #599
USA
2/28/2007  3:40 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

How about trying Balkman at the shooting guard position. He probably wouldn't put up any lower of a shooting percentage than Jamal. He can certainly handle the rock and he can definitely pass the ball. I saw him hit a 3 the other day that makes me think that he can develop a consistent J. Why not give it a try? It sure can't hurt.

[Edited by - Junkmein on 02-28-2007 3:17 PM]

YES! His overall FG% is higher- granted he doesn't play as much- but Balkman knows when not to do something stupid like heave a fallaway from 3.
Renaldo Balkman vs Marcus Williams re-visited

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy