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Michael6835
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2/26/2007  2:32 PM
This is absolutely crazy, what is the point of handicapping the offense with him in their. He only plays about 3-5 minutes then he gets pulled. Seeing as though he doesn't want to start DLEE, I think we are better off with Frye starting the game, at least it will stop the opposing player from doubling off of james. No one wants James at that price tag, so its a waste of time to "showcase" him now when we are trying to make the playoffs.
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2/26/2007  2:40 PM
I actually like Big Game in the starting lineup, as crazy as it sounds, and here is why:

I want James to get like 8-10 minutes a game. He NEEDS that much time to get into shape, bad foot and all. That small amount of time should not kill the team too much. If he does not play, forget him being able to play for the rest of his career. It would be done and over with.

With a player who is injured and out of shape like Big Game, he is going to be at his best just after warm-ups and at a time when he knows exactly he is going to play: at the beginning of the game, not the middle of the second quarter when he is cold and coming in off the bench. He also has the advantage of playing with exactly the same 4 other players when he is out there.

When else is he going to play? 3rd or 4th quarter with the game at steak? 2nd quarter when he is cold? Halfway into the 1st after sitting on the bench for a while?

I just want to see the fat boy play to see if he got something, and this move makes sense to me.
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2/26/2007  2:41 PM
it absolutely has to be about lee winning 6th man of the year, which means he's way more delusional than trevor ariza is. can anyone think of another explanation why he's doing this? there is absolutley no point in starting james when everyone knows he's coming out after a few minutes.
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2/26/2007  2:49 PM
Posted by nyballer:

it absolutely has to be about lee winning 6th man of the year, which means he's way more delusional than trevor ariza is. can anyone think of another explanation why he's doing this? there is absolutley no point in starting james when everyone knows he's coming out after a few minutes.

yes, its a win win for both sides. by starting him, isiah gets his 6 minutes a night to justify bigsnack's siging AND since jerome doesnt like to eat too late (says it gives him gas right before bedtime...), he could be showered and at the restaurant by early 2nd quarter...just in time to watch the rest of the game while eating some ribs...
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2/26/2007  2:50 PM
the only way i want to see Big Turd seeing any minutes at the Garden is if he's wearing 1 of these:

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2/26/2007  2:55 PM
Posted by martin:

I actually like Big Game in the starting lineup, as crazy as it sounds, and here is why:

I want James to get like 8-10 minutes a game. He NEEDS that much time to get into shape, bad foot and all. That small amount of time should not kill the team too much. If he does not play, forget him being able to play for the rest of his career. It would be done and over with.

With a player who is injured and out of shape like Big Game, he is going to be at his best just after warm-ups and at a time when he knows exactly he is going to play: at the beginning of the game, not the middle of the second quarter when he is cold and coming in off the bench. He also has the advantage of playing with exactly the same 4 other players when he is out there.

When else is he going to play? 3rd or 4th quarter with the game at steak? 2nd quarter when he is cold? Halfway into the 1st after sitting on the bench for a while?

I just want to see the fat boy play to see if he got something, and this move makes sense to me.

it might be best for HIM to play at the start of the game, but he's no good even at his best. For the good of the team, he shouldn't even play, or he should play for a few minutes off the bench if someone is in foul trouble. I've given up on hoping he gets in shape because I know it's a lost cause. Playing 8 minutes a game isn't going to do anything if he slacks off in practice and goes to mcdonalds every night when he gets the drunk munchies.
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2/26/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by martin:

I actually like Big Game in the starting lineup, as crazy as it sounds, and here is why:

I want James to get like 8-10 minutes a game. He NEEDS that much time to get into shape, bad foot and all. That small amount of time should not kill the team too much. If he does not play, forget him being able to play for the rest of his career. It would be done and over with.

With a player who is injured and out of shape like Big Game, he is going to be at his best just after warm-ups and at a time when he knows exactly he is going to play: at the beginning of the game, not the middle of the second quarter when he is cold and coming in off the bench. He also has the advantage of playing with exactly the same 4 other players when he is out there.

When else is he going to play? 3rd or 4th quarter with the game at steak? 2nd quarter when he is cold? Halfway into the 1st after sitting on the bench for a while?

I just want to see the fat boy play to see if he got something, and this move makes sense to me.

it might be best for HIM to play at the start of the game, but he's no good even at his best. For the good of the team, he shouldn't even play, or he should play for a few minutes off the bench if someone is in foul trouble. I've given up on hoping he gets in shape because I know it's a lost cause. Playing 8 minutes a game isn't going to do anything if he slacks off in practice and goes to mcdonalds every night when he gets the drunk munchies.

well, true. But for the good of the team, and I am talking 2-3 years down the line, balkman and collins should be getting minutes and Marbury should not.
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2/26/2007  4:46 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by nyballer:
Posted by martin:

I actually like Big Game in the starting lineup, as crazy as it sounds, and here is why:

I want James to get like 8-10 minutes a game. He NEEDS that much time to get into shape, bad foot and all. That small amount of time should not kill the team too much. If he does not play, forget him being able to play for the rest of his career. It would be done and over with.

With a player who is injured and out of shape like Big Game, he is going to be at his best just after warm-ups and at a time when he knows exactly he is going to play: at the beginning of the game, not the middle of the second quarter when he is cold and coming in off the bench. He also has the advantage of playing with exactly the same 4 other players when he is out there.

When else is he going to play? 3rd or 4th quarter with the game at steak? 2nd quarter when he is cold? Halfway into the 1st after sitting on the bench for a while?

I just want to see the fat boy play to see if he got something, and this move makes sense to me.

it might be best for HIM to play at the start of the game, but he's no good even at his best. For the good of the team, he shouldn't even play, or he should play for a few minutes off the bench if someone is in foul trouble. I've given up on hoping he gets in shape because I know it's a lost cause. Playing 8 minutes a game isn't going to do anything if he slacks off in practice and goes to mcdonalds every night when he gets the drunk munchies.

well, true. But for the good of the team, and I am talking 2-3 years down the line, balkman and collins should be getting minutes and Marbury should not.

agreed 100% on balkman, i wanna see more of collins to see what he can do. I think his upside is aaron mckie, which isn't bad at all. He can be a nice backup point guard/combo guard in a few years if we move craw to point and get a legit 2-guard
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2/26/2007  5:14 PM
I agree I can't see why we don't just do this from here on out.

Collins/Crawford
Marbury/Nate
Q/Balkman/Jefferies
Lee/Frye/Jefferies
Curry/Frye

Minute Breakdown
Curry 30 minutes, Frye 25 Minutes, Lee 40 Minutes, Q 30 minutes, Balkman 18 minutes, Crawford 30 minutes, Collins 15 minutes, Marbury 30, Nate 13 minutes, Jefferies 11 minutes

there is no reason not to be playing Collins if he is going to be physical and take care of the rock, i don't need to see Crawford who lets be honest has played ****ing terrible, regressed and never gets taken out of the game for 37 minutes a night. He should be scaled back to 30. As should steph opening up a little time for collins.....

Why not go with a much better unit to start the games on defense take care of the ball, and then we can bring in crawford, frye and balkman for some bunch...
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2/26/2007  5:14 PM
I agree I can't see why we don't just do this from here on out.

Collins/Crawford
Marbury/Nate
Q/Balkman/Jefferies
Lee/Frye/Jefferies
Curry/Frye

Minute Breakdown
Curry 30 minutes, Frye 25 Minutes, Lee 40 Minutes, Q 30 minutes, Balkman 18 minutes, Crawford 30 minutes, Collins 15 minutes, Marbury 30, Nate 13 minutes, Jefferies 11 minutes

there is no reason not to be playing Collins if he is going to be physical and take care of the rock, i don't need to see Crawford who lets be honest has played ****ing terrible, regressed and never gets taken out of the game for 37 minutes a night. He should be scaled back to 30. As should steph opening up a little time for collins.....

Why not go with a much better unit to start the games on defense take care of the ball, and then we can bring in crawford, frye and balkman for some bunch...
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2/26/2007  5:23 PM
yeah I'd prefer if Isiah took james out of the lineup too. its becoming somewhat of a farce. but what are you going to do, I guess thats just what the Isiah run knicks are like sometimes.

at first I thought that Isiah was legitemately starting him so his d could compliment curry, but the way isiah just takes him out of the game after a couple of minutes regardless of how well he plays, doesn't start him in the second half, and never uses him for defense when the oppossing frontcourt player gets hot seems to suggest otherwise.
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2/26/2007  5:48 PM
what's worse, starting players in their hometowns, or starting the team's worst player so that the team's best player can win 6th man of the year?
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2/26/2007  5:52 PM
Posted by jimimou:
Posted by nyballer:

it absolutely has to be about lee winning 6th man of the year, which means he's way more delusional than trevor ariza is. can anyone think of another explanation why he's doing this? there is absolutley no point in starting james when everyone knows he's coming out after a few minutes.

yes, its a win win for both sides. by starting him, isiah gets his 6 minutes a night to justify bigsnack's siging AND since jerome doesnt like to eat too late (says it gives him gas right before bedtime...), he could be showered and at the restaurant by early 2nd quarter...just in time to watch the rest of the game while eating some ribs...

lol

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2/26/2007  5:54 PM
Today he will play hack the Shuk game...
He was preparing all year long. Did he gain enogh weight?

Seriously starting him in place of Lee is the best way to have Lee NOT be selected as the 6th man. Nobody in NBA will tolerate this kind of chitting. Especially from Isiah. They love him sooo much.
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2/26/2007  7:43 PM
Posted by nyballer:

it absolutely has to be about lee winning 6th man of the year, which means he's way more delusional than trevor ariza is. can anyone think of another explanation why he's doing this? there is absolutley no point in starting james when everyone knows he's coming out after a few minutes.

Exactly! Last year it was Brown and starbury burying our season. Now Zeke' what the hell is he doing? God, our management on all fronts is awful!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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2/26/2007  7:45 PM
I want Dolan to get rid of this guy! I had it with this crap!
I'll never trust this' team again.
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2/26/2007  8:56 PM
Posted by nyballer:

what's worse, starting players in their hometowns, or starting the team's worst player so that the team's best player can win 6th man of the year?

Obviously it's the latter. Because it's a completely selfish act. Brown had nothing to gain from what he did but Isiah feels he deserves credit if Lee gets the 6th man award.
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IT, Please remove James from the starting line up.

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