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2/22/2007  10:16 AM
Lee Will Not Be Included In Any Carter To Knicks Deal
22nd February, 2007 - 5:51 am
New York Daily News -
At least two general managers revealed that the Nets discussed a deal with the Knicks for Vince Carter that would have included Jamal Crawford and Channing Frye. Another player, believed to be Malik Rose, would have to be included for salary-cap purposes. A league source said that the Knicks are refusing to part with David Lee, and that could potentially kill the deal.

A Knicks source said the team is not close to acquiring Carter, although the same official acknowledged that Thomas is still fond of the Nets' All-Star shooting guard.

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2/22/2007  10:21 AM
For Carter, the discussions lasted a little longer. There were some players on the Knicks' roster that attracted the Nets but were ones Isiah Thomas was not about to part with. Multiple sources said the teams engaged in discussions on Tuesday and again on Wednesday.

The Knicks' package for Carter, who can opt out of his deal at season's end, also centered around Frye, the young forward that the Nets coveted in the 2005 draft. The Knicks' offer was also believed to have included Jerome James ($5.4 million this season) and Malik Rose ($7.5 million this season) and one other player, perhaps Kelvin Cato or rookie Renaldo Balkman.
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2/22/2007  10:22 AM
For Carter, the discussions lasted a little longer. There were some players on the Knicks' roster that attracted the Nets but were ones Isiah Thomas was not about to part with. Multiple sources said the teams engaged in discussions on Tuesday and again on Wednesday.

These two would be Jamal and David.
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2/22/2007  10:23 AM
Bottom line is the Nets are willing to deal Kidd and Vince, but they want to get Bynum and Lee in return, so they can go from small to big... front court of Bynum, Lee, Jefferson, with Marcus Williams in the backcourt would be dominant, but I can't see the Lakers trading Bynum or the Knicks trading Lee, so the Nets will have to figure out another way to get good bigs.
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2/22/2007  11:20 AM
Posted by Solace:

Bottom line is the Nets are willing to deal Kidd and Vince, but they want to get Bynum and Lee in return, so they can go from small to big... front court of Bynum, Lee, Jefferson, with Marcus Williams in the backcourt would be dominant, but I can't see the Lakers trading Bynum or the Knicks trading Lee, so the Nets will have to figure out another way to get good bigs.
The Nets can get some great young pieces for Carter and Kidd and they should do just that. It's time for them to rebuild. They already have some nice young pieces in RJ, Kristic, and M Will.
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2/22/2007  11:23 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

Bottom line is the Nets are willing to deal Kidd and Vince, but they want to get Bynum and Lee in return, so they can go from small to big... front court of Bynum, Lee, Jefferson, with Marcus Williams in the backcourt would be dominant, but I can't see the Lakers trading Bynum or the Knicks trading Lee, so the Nets will have to figure out another way to get good bigs.
The Nets can get some great young pieces for Carter and Kidd and they should do just that. It's time for them to rebuild. They already have some nice young pieces in RJ, Kristic, and M Will.

Yes. I think they just have to shoot a little lower. I could see the Knicks and Lakers trading say Frye and Kwame, plus picks. Bynum and Lee are untouchable, I think. Although I still wish we could get in a trade with the Lakers and exchange Curry for Bynum. That thought of a Bynum and Lee frontcourt has championship thoughts in my head.
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2/22/2007  11:35 AM
I think that Fyre/Crawford/Rose for Carter is a solid deal for both teams. It seems unlikely that Vince will resign with the Nets. The Nets need a PF (Frye and Rose) and a replacement SG (Crawford). Seeing as how Carter's likely destination is Orlando, which likely would not do a sign and trade because they would have Grant Hill's expiring salary to sign Carter outright, the Nets are running a huge risk of losing Carter for nothing. The Nets should jump at this deal. It also helps the Knicks because it gives us a more consistent scorer at the SG position. We would lose some depth at PF, but we still have open roster spots to go sign someone.
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2/22/2007  11:41 AM
Posted by TheGame:

I think that Fyre/Crawford/Rose for Carter is a solid deal for both teams. It seems unlikely that Vince will resign with the Nets. The Nets need a PF (Frye and Rose) and a replacement SG (Crawford). Seeing as how Carter's likely destination is Orlando, which likely would not do a sign and trade because they would have Grant Hill's expiring salary to sign Carter outright, the Nets are running a huge risk of losing Carter for nothing. The Nets should jump at this deal. It also helps the Knicks because it gives us a more consistent scorer at the SG position. We would lose some depth at PF, but we still have open roster spots to go sign someone.

and what happens when Carter opts out on the knicks and goes to Orlando?
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2/22/2007  11:50 AM
No way do I give up Frye and Crawford unless Carter's guaranteed to re-sign with us.
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2/22/2007  12:04 PM
We obviously would need some assurance from Carter that he would stay and if he cannot at least verbally commit, then we should pass. I would also add something to the deal, like NJ gives us a second round pick or young player to make sure we get something even if Carter walks.

A better deal might be Frye/JJ1/Rose/Collins for Carter. Then we keep Crawford in case Carter leaves or can trade him later if Carter resigns. We lose Frye, but we get rid of several bad contracts.

[Edited by - thegame on 02-22-2007 12:09 PM]
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2/22/2007  12:12 PM
Why would you want Vince to stay, i thought we want to see cap space. You don't move young JC for old Wince and then sign wince longterm do you?
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2/22/2007  12:25 PM
Posted by kam77:

Why would you want Vince to stay, i thought we want to see cap space. You don't move young JC for old Wince and then sign wince longterm do you?

I actually like the idea of creating the caproom but we cannot give up Frye and Crawford just to create caproom unless NJ is going to take back Rose, JJ1, JJ2, and Jeffries (basically all of our bad contracts except Francis). I think Carter is what this team needs (other than his age). A consistent perimeter threat that knows how to play basketball. I like Crawford but he is too inconsistent and has a maddening tendency to turn the ball over. Carter would bring alot of stability to the team's offense. If we could get Carter to agree to a long-term deal, I would seriously consider the deal as long as we get rid of Rose's deal also and probably add a second round pick from NJ.
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2/22/2007  12:44 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

Bottom line is the Nets are willing to deal Kidd and Vince, but they want to get Bynum and Lee in return, so they can go from small to big... front court of Bynum, Lee, Jefferson, with Marcus Williams in the backcourt would be dominant, but I can't see the Lakers trading Bynum or the Knicks trading Lee, so the Nets will have to figure out another way to get good bigs.
The Nets can get some great young pieces for Carter and Kidd and they should do just that. It's time for them to rebuild. They already have some nice young pieces in RJ, Kristic, and M Will.

Yes. I think they just have to shoot a little lower. I could see the Knicks and Lakers trading say Frye and Kwame, plus picks. Bynum and Lee are untouchable, I think. Although I still wish we could get in a trade with the Lakers and exchange Curry for Bynum. That thought of a Bynum and Lee frontcourt has championship thoughts in my head.



how about Curry, Jefferies & Frye to LA for Odom, Bynum & a 2nd round pick?

C - Bynum / Cato / Turd
PF - Lee / Malik
SF - Odom / Balkman
SG - Q Rich / Jamal / Nate
PG - Marbury / Francis
IA - Mardy
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2/22/2007  1:12 PM
I'm not sure the Lakers would do that even if you took out Odom.
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2/22/2007  2:54 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Solace:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Solace:

Bottom line is the Nets are willing to deal Kidd and Vince, but they want to get Bynum and Lee in return, so they can go from small to big... front court of Bynum, Lee, Jefferson, with Marcus Williams in the backcourt would be dominant, but I can't see the Lakers trading Bynum or the Knicks trading Lee, so the Nets will have to figure out another way to get good bigs.
The Nets can get some great young pieces for Carter and Kidd and they should do just that. It's time for them to rebuild. They already have some nice young pieces in RJ, Kristic, and M Will.

Yes. I think they just have to shoot a little lower. I could see the Knicks and Lakers trading say Frye and Kwame, plus picks. Bynum and Lee are untouchable, I think. Although I still wish we could get in a trade with the Lakers and exchange Curry for Bynum. That thought of a Bynum and Lee frontcourt has championship thoughts in my head.



how about Curry, Jefferies & Frye to LA for Odom, Bynum & a 2nd round pick?

C - Bynum / Cato / Turd
PF - Lee / Malik
SF - Odom / Balkman
SG - Q Rich / Jamal / Nate
PG - Marbury / Francis
IA - Mardy

Jeffries being in there kills that trade. If you could take out Jeffries, put in a piece that's on par with those other players and maybe we also toss a pick in their direction. I think from LA's point of view, and I tend to agree, they're giving up the two best players in the trade that you presented.
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2/22/2007  3:41 PM
just bored here.

How about Curry, Craw, Frye & CHI's pick for Odom, Bynum & Radmanovich?

Rado's been sort of a bust for them this year, & his contract runs the same length as Craw's... he would add a 3 pt threat to help stretch the D for the Knicks, while the Lakers beef up tremendously in the low post, which will help to open things up for Kobe on the perimeter... Lakers also get an upgrade over Smush to run the backcourt w/Kobe & a 1st round pick... Knicks get a more defensive minded young C along w/an upgrade at the SF
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2/22/2007  3:43 PM
Take Bynum and Curry out of that deal and you have my attention. Though it really doesn't address our defense that much. Odom is OK but VladRad is godawful.
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2/22/2007  3:47 PM
he's not THAT terrible, but he has been a bust for them this year... that's why i think unloading him off their roster might be incentive

[Edited by - TMS on 02-22-2007 3:47 PM]
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2/22/2007  3:50 PM
Posted by TMS:

just bored here.

How about Curry, Craw, Frye & CHI's pick for Odom, Bynum & Radmanovich?

Rado's been sort of a bust for them this year, & his contract runs the same length as Craw's... he would add a 3 pt threat to help stretch the D for the Knicks, while the Lakers beef up tremendously in the low post, which will help to open things up for Kobe on the perimeter... Lakers also get an upgrade over Smush to run the backcourt w/Kobe & a 1st round pick... Knicks get a more defensive minded young C along w/an upgrade at the SF

Well I certainly think they would do Craw for Vlad, no question. Curry and Bynum is tough to call. I do think they would prefer Bynum to Curry, but maybe Bynum + Vlad for Curry and Craw they would do. I don't think they do the Odom for Frye part because you have Kobe in his prime and, I think most people think Frye is a few years away from hitting his potential. Throw in a first rounder and Nate and I think the offer becomes very tempting.

Imagining a starting lineup of Bynum, Lee, Odom, Q and Marbury with Cato, James, Vlad, Malik, Jeffries, Francis, Collins off the bench seems pretty solid. Maybe one more trade to balance the roster, but I do think with that starting lineup, we're talking about being one of the top teams in the east.
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