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GodSaveTheKnicks
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2/20/2007  3:33 PM
NO PLAYER AGE POS HT WT DOB SCHOOL
26 Kelvin Cato 32 C 6-11 275 08/26/1974 Iowa State
34 Eddy Curry 24 C 6-11 285 12/05/1982 No College
13 Jerome James 31 C 7-1 280 11/17/1975 Florida A&M
7 Channing Frye 23 PF 6-11 248 05/17/1983 Arizona
42 David Lee 23 PF 6-9 249 04/29/1983 Florida
31 Malik Rose 32 PF 6-7 255 11/23/1974 Drexel
32 Renaldo Balkman 22 SF 6-8 208 07/14/1984 South Carolina
20 Jared Jeffries 25 SF 6-11 240 11/25/1981 Indiana
23 Quentin Richardson 26 SF 6-6 230 04/13/1980 DePaul
25 Mardy Collins 22 PG 6-6 220 08/04/1984 Temple
1 Steve Francis 29 PG 6-3 210 02/21/1977 Maryland
3 Stephon Marbury 30 PG 6-2 205 02/20/1977 Georgia Tech
4 Nate Robinson 22 PG 5-9 180 05/31/1984 Washington
11 Jamal Crawford 26 SG 6-5 190 03/20/1980 Michigan

Of these guys I think there are 3 categories:

1. Guys we can not move even if we packaged them with Adrianna Lima: (In order of albatrossity)

Jerome James
Jared Jeffries
Steve Francis
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury
Q

2. Guys we won't move:

Eddy Curry
David Lee ??

That leaves:

3. The rest

Cato
Rose
Frye
Balkman
Mardy
Nate

Frye, Balkman,Mardy and Nate are cheap and it seems a bit early to judge how good they can be.

Cato and Rose don't seem to be players that inspire GMs to pick up the phone.

Is it me or is our roster pretty much locked in?
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GodSaveTheKnicks
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2/20/2007  3:34 PM
Also. There are a lot of players on this roster that a lot of GMs wouldn't touch due to their flaws as players, people or simply their contracts.

This makes me sad.

That is all.
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2/20/2007  4:26 PM
I dont think you have Jamal + QRich placed properly
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2/20/2007  5:09 PM
I think Crawford may be movable. He's been playing well lately. Q would be very tough to move because of his back.
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2/20/2007  5:12 PM
Jamal was going to be in the Francis deal instead of Ariza, IIRC.
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2/20/2007  5:20 PM
Nobody is going to want to pay $9-10M a year going forward the next 4 years.

Q's large uninsurable contract makes him untradeable.
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2/20/2007  6:33 PM
Jamal I wasn't sure where to put. I think he has a pretty large contract but he could be an asset because he's young and talented sure. Valid point.

QRich I think most GMs really wouldn't touch because of back problems, no?
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2/20/2007  7:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Nobody is going to want to pay $9-10M a year going forward the next 4 years.

Q's large uninsurable contract makes him untradeable.

No one else except us. If we got an opening and a ton of money, hey' let's pick up Jerome 'broken down slow ass' James. One example of what we could of done if we would have just held onto that money and waited.

As far as I'm concerned, we have only one kind of GM, starting with Laydumb.

[Edited by - 4949 on 02-20-2007 7:13 PM]
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2/20/2007  8:30 PM
I think you got it WAY wrong.


Crawford and QRich have value.

Jefferies isn't impossible to move.

The rest I agree about though.
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2/20/2007  8:39 PM
You might be right about Jeffries. It may be too early to judge him. I hope he'll get into a groove in the second half if he can ever get minutes from Zeke.

I remember liking when he was at Indiana too..

It's weird how he just appears to have no jump shot now..

Kinda like how when Camby was here it looked like he couldn't shoot a lick ..but when he was at UMass I remembered him having a servicable jumper and in Denver he can shoot ok.

Is it just New York?
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2/20/2007  8:47 PM
I think you hit it right on the head with the players in those catergories. good points
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2/21/2007  12:23 AM
I think that you'll see this roster settle down. We shouldn't be making desperation moves anymore. Francis looks better of late but his contract is still ruff. If craw continues to improve his contract looks much better next year.

I think the jj's will look worse and worse as the years go on and they're riding the pine.
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2/21/2007  10:11 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

I think you got it WAY wrong.


Crawford and QRich have value.

Jefferies isn't impossible to move.

The rest I agree about though.

agreed... i'd put Malik in the "Albatross" category way before i put Q or Jamal in there... at least those guys are still steady contributors.
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GodSaveTheKnicks
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2/21/2007  10:23 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

I think you got it WAY wrong.


Crawford and QRich have value.

Jefferies isn't impossible to move.

The rest I agree about though.

agreed... i'd put Malik in the "Albatross" category way before i put Q or Jamal in there... at least those guys are still steady contributors.

TMS, bobs:

I put the contracts in order of Albatrossity with Crawford and Q on the bottom because they have pretty lengthy contracts ( 4 years for Q, 5 for Craw) and they'll be getting paid 9-10 Million those last years.

I wasn't trying to imply they don't contribute but it seems like it would be hard to move those contracts for another player, no?

Perhaps I should have put them in "The Rest" though...

I know San Antonio is an extreme example because they seem to be amongst the best in the League at managing their cap but take a look at what some of their players are getting paid:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Tony Parker makes a slight bit more at the end of his contract but he's awesome. Would you rather be paying Manu or Q?

We could be paying Jackie Butler about half or less than half what Jerome James is getting with a shorter contract. But despite the heated arguments on the board, atleast everyone agrees that was probably Isiah's biggest mistake as a GM. Every GM is allowed a few I suppose...

I just really wish the Knicks could find bargains more often and stop giving players way more money and years than the market shows they are worth...

Nothing against Q though. I've liked him since his days in LA. He's the least of the Knicks current problems.

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2/21/2007  10:26 AM
on a somewhat related note..maybe patience is the key

tyson chandler and eddy curry are both having pretty damn productive seasons
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2/21/2007  10:36 AM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:

NO PLAYER AGE POS HT WT DOB SCHOOL
26 Kelvin Cato 32 C 6-11 275 08/26/1974 Iowa State
34 Eddy Curry 24 C 6-11 285 12/05/1982 No College
13 Jerome James 31 C 7-1 280 11/17/1975 Florida A&M
7 Channing Frye 23 PF 6-11 248 05/17/1983 Arizona
42 David Lee 23 PF 6-9 249 04/29/1983 Florida
31 Malik Rose 32 PF 6-7 255 11/23/1974 Drexel
32 Renaldo Balkman 22 SF 6-8 208 07/14/1984 South Carolina
20 Jared Jeffries 25 SF 6-11 240 11/25/1981 Indiana
23 Quentin Richardson 26 SF 6-6 230 04/13/1980 DePaul
25 Mardy Collins 22 PG 6-6 220 08/04/1984 Temple
1 Steve Francis 29 PG 6-3 210 02/21/1977 Maryland
3 Stephon Marbury 30 PG 6-2 205 02/20/1977 Georgia Tech
4 Nate Robinson 22 PG 5-9 180 05/31/1984 Washington
11 Jamal Crawford 26 SG 6-5 190 03/20/1980 Michigan

Of these guys I think there are 3 categories:

1. Guys we can not move even if we packaged them with Adrianna Lima: (In order of albatrossity)

Jerome James
Jared Jeffries
Steve Francis
Jamal Crawford
Stephon Marbury
Q

2. Guys we won't move:

Eddy Curry
David Lee ??

That leaves:

3. The rest

Cato
Rose
Frye
Balkman
Mardy
Nate

Frye, Balkman,Mardy and Nate are cheap and it seems a bit early to judge how good they can be.

Cato and Rose don't seem to be players that inspire GMs to pick up the phone.

Is it me or is our roster pretty much locked in?

So what is the market value of this team... about 20 mils after spending 400 mils
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2/21/2007  10:44 AM
I think Crawford and QRich can be moved, especially Crawford because of his youth and scoring potential. Q could be moved but for the back issues, but if he can play through the rest of the season without back issues, I think some GM might be willing to take a shot on him, he also is not overpaid for what he brings to the team. Jeffries might become movable if he finds his offense, but right now, especially with the trade kicker, I don't think any other team would touch him. Everyone else, I pretty much agree on.
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2/21/2007  10:48 AM
Actually not only IT is so stuppid amoung GM's in NBA.
You know - "Dumb and Dumber"
so it is always a hope...
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2/21/2007  11:33 AM
Posted by GodSaveTheKnicks:
Posted by TMS:
Posted by bobs3304:

I think you got it WAY wrong.


Crawford and QRich have value.

Jefferies isn't impossible to move.

The rest I agree about though.

agreed... i'd put Malik in the "Albatross" category way before i put Q or Jamal in there... at least those guys are still steady contributors.

TMS, bobs:

I put the contracts in order of Albatrossity with Crawford and Q on the bottom because they have pretty lengthy contracts ( 4 years for Q, 5 for Craw) and they'll be getting paid 9-10 Million those last years.

I wasn't trying to imply they don't contribute but it seems like it would be hard to move those contracts for another player, no?

Perhaps I should have put them in "The Rest" though...

I know San Antonio is an extreme example because they seem to be amongst the best in the League at managing their cap but take a look at what some of their players are getting paid:

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/san_antonio.htm

Tony Parker makes a slight bit more at the end of his contract but he's awesome. Would you rather be paying Manu or Q?

We could be paying Jackie Butler about half or less than half what Jerome James is getting with a shorter contract. But despite the heated arguments on the board, atleast everyone agrees that was probably Isiah's biggest mistake as a GM. Every GM is allowed a few I suppose...

I just really wish the Knicks could find bargains more often and stop giving players way more money and years than the market shows they are worth...

Nothing against Q though. I've liked him since his days in LA. He's the least of the Knicks current problems.



the cap situation is what it is... none of us are defending Isiah's mismanagement of the cap situation... at least, i know i never have... all i've ever said was that some of the players on this team are not half as bad as most of you would make it appear to be w/your daily moanings & groanings (not singling you out dude... just saying in general)... this team is a ways from being a contender, but there are some positive signs out there to be had.

& i disagree about Jamal & Q... i think both those guys would be upgrades to what these teams have starting at the SG position right now:

Charlotte (Matt Carroll)
Indiana (Mike Dunleavy)
New Orleans (Devin Brown)
Orlando (Grant Hill)
Toronto (Anthony Parker)
Utah (Derek Fisher)
Washington (DeShawn Stevenson)
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2/21/2007  4:18 PM
Ok so move Jamal and Q to "the rest"

I was speaking to my friend the other day and we both agreed all Knicks fans should be rooting for the playoffs so we don't have to endure Chicago getting Oden or Durant with our pick

I agree with you that there is a lot of negativity with Knicks fans these days. I'm personally making an effort to cry less over spilled milk and trying to envision a future in which the Knicks are contenders again.

We'll win a championship eventually (crossing my figners) and I will enjoy every second of that ride.
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