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Will Thomas end up making a deal at the deadline?? Or will he avoid making any deals at the deadline?
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2/19/2007  9:00 PM
He probably won't make a deal , but he needs to.

Too many mental lapses on this team, is it the players or the coach.

Last yr many said it was brown, this year ?
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2/19/2007  9:03 PM
It would be wise not' to make 'any' deals this season. Wait for the season to end, or for another year, or two years. But wait. No deals, unless we cam make a bonified deal for a bonified player. Highly unlikely, so I say we wait for the contracts to start burning out.

[Edited by - 4949 on 02-19-2007 9:04 PM]
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2/19/2007  9:14 PM
1 to 4 No Deal...
IT always surprised people...
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2/19/2007  10:13 PM
Blockbuster trade 5 Minutes before the deadline
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2/19/2007  11:13 PM
he's going to try to deal Francis and the JJ's but can he pull that off and make us better? That's another story.
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2/20/2007  12:03 AM
This team needs a deal for a top wing but Isiah wont.
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2/20/2007  1:44 PM
i think a minor deal is likely, but no blockbusters a-la the Stephon Marbury trade
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2/20/2007  1:49 PM
You should never believe a used car salesman, but I really think we won't be making a deal this time around.
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2/20/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by TMS:

i think a minor deal is likely, but no blockbusters a-la the Stephon Marbury trade

Unfortunately, I think that's just what this team needs, even if we're getting the worse players in the deal. We need to blow the whole thing up right now. Weak frontcourt defense, terribly constructed backcourt. No good.
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2/20/2007  2:31 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

i think a minor deal is likely, but no blockbusters a-la the Stephon Marbury trade

Unfortunately, I think that's just what this team needs, even if we're getting the worse players in the deal. We need to blow the whole thing up right now. Weak frontcourt defense, terribly constructed backcourt. No good.

that was the same frame of mind that made Isiah make the Stephon Marbury deal to begin with... the same frame of mind that also possessed Scott Layden to trade away Camby & the #7 for Antonio McKnee... then after trades like that blow up in our faces, fans bemoan the need to remain patient, stay the course & develop the youth for a change... i thought that was what Isiah said he wanted to do now? do you want to blow it all up again & start this whole process over?
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2/20/2007  2:33 PM
orange alert...

the chances of making a deal are now down to 0.00000214%
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2/20/2007  2:39 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by TMS:

i think a minor deal is likely, but no blockbusters a-la the Stephon Marbury trade

Unfortunately, I think that's just what this team needs, even if we're getting the worse players in the deal. We need to blow the whole thing up right now. Weak frontcourt defense, terribly constructed backcourt. No good.

that was the same frame of mind that made Isiah make the Stephon Marbury deal to begin with... the same frame of mind that also possessed Scott Layden to trade away Camby & the #7 for Antonio McKnee... then after trades like that blow up in our faces, fans bemoan the need to remain patient, stay the course & develop the youth for a change... i thought that was what Isiah said he wanted to do now? do you want to blow it all up again & start this whole process over?

I think this is different in some senses. A big trade here could actually solidify the roster. Those teams you mentioned desperately needed the youth and size that they traded away. Honestly, Camby, Nene, Junk (MJax) for McDyess, a late first rounder and an early second rounder is a good trade IF you also had, say, Eddy Curry as your center already and you had reasonable certainty that McDyess's knee would hold up. Just food for thought.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 20 2007 2:41 PM]
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2/20/2007  2:47 PM
and you had reasonable certainty that McDyess's knee would hold up.

that is the key part of that statement.. there was no reasonable reason to think his knee would hold up after an entire season of rehabbing after a major knee surgery... it was a bigger gamble to take than trading for a career cancer like Marbury in fact, because at least in Marbury's case, u pretty much knew he was durable & would give u a few years of good stats at the PG position... no one knew how McKnee would recover.

anyway, that's an old discussion... i'm just saying maybe it's best to stay patient now instead of looking for that quick fix yet again & messing w/team chemistry once again? i think a minor player here or there could improve this team enough to challenge for a playoff spot without mortgaging the future... or if you're going to make a blockbuster deal, it MUST be for a young player just hitting his prime... no more Ray Allen type veterans with bloated maxed out contracts... we have enough trouble trying to unload the 2 that we already have without having to worry about another one.
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2/20/2007  3:01 PM
Posted by TMS:
and you had reasonable certainty that McDyess's knee would hold up.

that is the key part of that statement.. there was no reasonable reason to think his knee would hold up after an entire season of rehabbing after a major knee surgery... it was a bigger gamble to take than trading for a career cancer like Marbury in fact, because at least in Marbury's case, u pretty much knew he was durable & would give u a few years of good stats at the PG position... no one knew how McKnee would recover.

anyway, that's an old discussion... i'm just saying maybe it's best to stay patient now instead of looking for that quick fix yet again & messing w/team chemistry once again? i think a minor player here or there could improve this team enough to challenge for a playoff spot without mortgaging the future... or if you're going to make a blockbuster deal, it MUST be for a young player just hitting his prime... no more Ray Allen type veterans with bloated maxed out contracts... we have enough trouble trying to unload the 2 that we already have without having to worry about another one.

I'm not saying that that old trade was anything but bad. However, to finish the analogy, I guess the question is... would you trade Lee and Frye for a healthy McDyess in his prime if you were confident he would stay healthy? I'd have to say yes... and that's the sort of the trade that we'd need if we're going to get real good. Not that I want to trade Lee, but there's no way Lee + Eddy + Frye is going to work.
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2/20/2007  3:06 PM
I agree but Lee has a 2 skills that he is as good as anyone in the league. Rebounding and being efficient on offense. Frye doenst have one skill that he excels in. You trade one of them and get a perimeter defender or a two way player
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2/20/2007  3:08 PM
of course, if i trade Lee, Eddy & Frye, it better be for a lock stock & barrel can't miss Dwight Howard type young talent who can be the cornerstone for this franchise for years to come... i'm not giving up that type of package for a guy who brings any sort of question marks in terms of work ethic, health issues, or off the court stuff... but why even discuss this since we have no chance to get a Dwight Howard type talent to begin with? how about we just develop the young guys we have now, make a minor trade to add a complimentary piece, & go from there? we don't need to win a championship this year or even contend for one to lend legitimacy to this season... it's going to take time to build towards a championship... making the all-in type trades don't normally end in immediate success unless the guy you're trading for is named Shaq.
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2/20/2007  3:18 PM
Posted by TMS:

of course, if i trade Lee, Eddy & Frye, it better be for a lock stock & barrel can't miss Dwight Howard type young talent who can be the cornerstone for this franchise for years to come... i'm not giving up that type of package for a guy who brings any sort of question marks in terms of work ethic, health issues, or off the court stuff... but why even discuss this since we have no chance to get a Dwight Howard type talent to begin with? how about we just develop the young guys we have now, make a minor trade to add a complimentary piece, & go from there? we don't need to win a championship this year or even contend for one to lend legitimacy to this season... it's going to take time to build towards a championship... making the all-in type trades don't normally end in immediate success unless the guy you're trading for is named Shaq.

I didn't say all three. I said the trio can't all be the same team. So pick which one you like (in my example, I said Curry) and trade the other two and see what you can get. In my example, I was saying Lee + Frye for a healthy McDyess of 5 years ago. I don't equate that to Dwight Howard. How about a real awesome big man on a poor team? For example, say Elton Brand became available (maybe this one is shooting too high, but that kind of idea). Would you do that deal? What if it were Curry and Frye? Those are the type of scenarios that I was throwing out. What about Gasol? I was just curious what your opinion was, since you generally make good points, even when we don't 100% agree.

[Edited by - Solace on Feb 20 2007 3:20 PM]
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2/20/2007  3:19 PM
for Elton Brand, i would easily trade D Lee & Frye & add in Nate & CHI's pick to boot... Curry & Brand in the frontcourt would be an unstoppable tandem... u can double team 1, but not both.
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2/20/2007  3:21 PM
Posted by TMS:

for Elton Brand, i would easily trade D Lee & Frye & add in Nate & CHI's pick to boot... Curry & Brand in the frontcourt would be an unstoppable tandem... u can double team 1, but not both.

Yeah, that one probably was a no brainer. Brand is a higher quality than McDyess was, even in his prime. How about Gasol for Lee + Frye or for Eddy? That might be a better comparison, although Gasol's defense concerns me.
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2/20/2007  5:40 PM
Gasol i would NOT trade D Lee for... just like McDyess, he comes w/health issues... plus, like you said, Gasol's defense is nothing to write home about... he is not the type of player this team needs to get to the next level.
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