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2/18/2007  9:12 AM
Trade rumors from Seattle
The Knicks have been eerily quiet in the trade-rumor mill, but one player to keep an eye on is Sonics forward Rashard Lewis.

The out-of-contention Sonics are embroiled in what could become a nasty fight for a new arena and reportedly are losing money. Lewis, who would've been an All-Star if he hadn't missed time with a hand injury, can opt out of his contract July 1.

The Sonics might be inclined to take back a cheaper alternative such as Channing Frye while they still can get something for Lewis. Also, with Atlanta rumored to be coveting Sonics point guard Luke Ridnour, Seattle might have a reason to take hometown boy Nate Robinson off the Knicks' hands
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2/18/2007  9:16 AM
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2/18/2007  9:49 AM
we dont have expiring contracts that will save a team like Sea money anymore. Remember they were dumped in the "I guess we dont need KG after all" purge. Kinda funny how 2 years ago Isiah said the reason he traded for Mo Taylor's contract was to have an 'asset' for this year.
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2/18/2007  9:53 AM
Posted by fishmike:

we dont have expiring contracts that will save a team like Sea money anymore. Remember they were dumped in the "I guess we dont need KG after all" purge. Kinda funny how 2 years ago Isiah said the reason he traded for Mo Taylor's contract was to have an 'asset' for this year.

That's until Dolan shut Isiah's trigger trading finger down. I guess Dolan has now given Isiah the right to **** and reload on trading.

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2/18/2007  10:53 AM
The mysterious forces of the universe collide once again

Rashard Lewis wears number 7

Channing Frye wears 7

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2/18/2007  10:56 AM

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2/18/2007  11:09 AM
Posted by holfresh:


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I finally agree with you. What would be the point in getting Rashard? Stock up the offense and do nothing for the defense?
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2/18/2007  11:10 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:


Starphuck

I finally agree with you. What would be the point in getting Rashard? Stock up the offense and do nothing for the defense?

It took close to 3000 post to achieve that...
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2/18/2007  11:14 AM
The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
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2/18/2007  11:29 AM
This Trade Succeeded! Go back to adjust your trade or start over.
New York Knicks

Incoming Players
Rashard Lewis
Salary: $9,350,649 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 21.6 REB: 6.8 AST: 2.4 PER: 21.37

Earl Watson
Salary: $5,400,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 8.2 REB: 2.4 AST: 5.7 PER: 12.58


Outgoing Players: Channing Frye, Kelvin Cato, Quentin Richardson, Jared Jeffries, Nate RobinsonSeattle SuperSonics

Incoming Players
Channing Frye
Salary: $2,325,000 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 10.2 REB: 5.4 AST: 0.7 PER: 11.84

Kelvin Cato
Salary: $744,551 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.6 REB: 1.9 AST: 0.0 PER: 15.86

Quentin Richardson
Salary: $7,525,500 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 13.2 REB: 7.4 AST: 2.3 PER: 14.18

Jared Jeffries
Salary: $5,215,000 Years Remaining: 5
PTS: 4.2 REB: 3.8 AST: 1.0 PER: 8.89

Nate Robinson
Salary: $1,185,480 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 8.5 REB: 2.2 AST: 1.5 PER: 14.44
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2/18/2007  11:37 AM
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
which is why Eddy is such a problem despite all his scoring. You can live with a below average defense, but you have to control the glass. You cant give up easy shots AND 2nd chance points. If Eddy would just attack the glass he really could be a franchise guy. There's no excuse for a guy with his size and athletic skills to NOT average 11-12 per 35-38 minutes.
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2/18/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:
Posted by holfresh:


Starphuck

I finally agree with you. What would be the point in getting Rashard? Stock up the offense and do nothing for the defense?


Who says Rashard does not play defense? Rashard is not someone to be slept on as far as the defensive end.
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2/18/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
which is why Eddy is such a problem despite all his scoring. You can live with a below average defense, but you have to control the glass. You cant give up easy shots AND 2nd chance points. If Eddy would just attack the glass he really could be a franchise guy. There's no excuse for a guy with his size and athletic skills to NOT average 11-12 per 35-38 minutes.

Fish if you really want to be honest...Eddy, Lee and Frye is our problem...They have not been trying to stop anyone...You cannot live with below average defense when all three of the guys at center and PF all play below average...You are confusing controlling the boards with defense...Good rebounding is important but as a power forward and a center you also have to control the lanes and defend easy interior baskets...It's a huge problem with our front line...

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2/18/2007  12:00 PM
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...

Thats why the Knicks need JVG to return......hahahahahahaha....just kidding.
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2/18/2007  12:01 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
which is why Eddy is such a problem despite all his scoring. You can live with a below average defense, but you have to control the glass. You cant give up easy shots AND 2nd chance points. If Eddy would just attack the glass he really could be a franchise guy. There's no excuse for a guy with his size and athletic skills to NOT average 11-12 per 35-38 minutes.

Fish if you really want to be honest...Eddy, Lee and Frye is our problem...They have not been trying to stop anyone...You cannot live with below average defense when all three of the guys at center and PF all play below average...You are confusing controlling the boards with defense...Good rebounding is important but as a power forward and a center you also have to control the lanes and defend easy interior baskets...It's a huge problem with our front line...


The onus is on Eddy because he's making 10million bucks, which is a significant part of our cap situation. Eddy needs to play a game that resembles that of a 10million dollar a year contract player. This is also his 6th year in the league, it's about time he starts putting some effort into defense, instead of just offense.

Onto Rashard... I don't agree with this notion that Rashard doesn't play defense AT ALL, he's an average defensive player, nothing more, nothing less. If this team put Rashard on the wing with Eddy downlow, it would extend the defense from the SF position, a more natural fit than Frye trying to stretch the floor from the PF spot. Rashard is also a dead-on shooter who can put up big numbers within a blink of the eye. He can shoot, he's got a good midrange game, he's got a good 3pt game and he can put the ball on the floor. This team needs a player like Rashard in the worse way.
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2/18/2007  12:23 PM
I like adding Lewis. I think for now, our teams needs to follow a "just try to outscore you" mentality. I am not saying that defense should not be taught or that these players cannot improve, but with our personnel, we are never going to be a Spur/Detriot type of defensive team. Adding Lewis would really bring balance to our offense, allow Lee to start, and reduce our reliance on Crawford as our primary perimeter scorer. Dallas spent years developing their offense and then slowly added defensive players and a defensive mentality. I would like to see if this team can learn to beat people with offense and then develop into a better defensive team. Right now, the offense is solid but not great. Lewis could help change that.
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2/18/2007  12:23 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by holfresh:

The Knicks' problem is that they cannot make defensive stops..Being able to make defensive stops could have won another 5 games by conservative estimates..Making big stops is what matters in the playoffs if we were to get there...The Knicks need a defensive presence up front badly...
which is why Eddy is such a problem despite all his scoring. You can live with a below average defense, but you have to control the glass. You cant give up easy shots AND 2nd chance points. If Eddy would just attack the glass he really could be a franchise guy. There's no excuse for a guy with his size and athletic skills to NOT average 11-12 per 35-38 minutes.

Fish if you really want to be honest...Eddy, Lee and Frye is our problem...They have not been trying to stop anyone...You cannot live with below average defense when all three of the guys at center and PF all play below average...You are confusing controlling the boards with defense...Good rebounding is important but as a power forward and a center you also have to control the lanes and defend easy interior baskets...It's a huge problem with our front line...


The onus is on Eddy because he's making 10million bucks, which is a significant part of our cap situation. Eddy needs to play a game that resembles that of a 10million dollar a year contract player. This is also his 6th year in the league, it's about time he starts putting some effort into defense, instead of just offense.

Onto Rashard... I don't agree with this notion that Rashard doesn't play defense AT ALL, he's an average defensive player, nothing more, nothing less. If this team put Rashard on the wing with Eddy downlow, it would extend the defense from the SF position, a more natural fit than Frye trying to stretch the floor from the PF spot. Rashard is also a dead-on shooter who can put up big numbers within a blink of the eye. He can shoot, he's got a good midrange game, he's got a good 3pt game and he can put the ball on the floor. This team needs a player like Rashard in the worse way.

Eddy doesn't make 10 mil per year...It's more like 8 per which is a bargain for what he brings in todays NBA...Eddy is not the reason the cap is what it is...If a player get major minutes then he should be expected to do certain things for you, thats how it works...It's not based on salary...If you are a center you should be able to grab some rebounds and block a few shot and deter penetrators, score..If you are a PF you should rebound, block a few shots, play a little interior defense, help control paint, be able to score on you own although not that important...Unfortunately the Knicks have players that only excel in one area, far too many...Blaming Eddy is just a cop out... Eddy can help and maybe we can expect more because he is the most gifted front line player we have...But blaming Eddy is a cop out because we are ignoring the deficiencies of the entire front line...

Now on the Rashard...The Knicks does not need scoring, they need defense...The Knicks are usually in games and can score so thats not the problem...You can't really tell what type of defender a player is unless he plays for your team...You have to see his games night in and night out...I'm not saying Rashard is not a good defender, his numbers defensively doesn't show it..We need a player to help control the paint and defend in the post...I haven't seen much of Rashard but I doubt he is that...
The Knicks would be wise to trade for players that would help in places of need..I wouldn't trade key pieces for add ons when it won't take us to the next level...Rashard helps with three point shooting, these type of players can be had at much cheaper rates...



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-18-2007 12:28 PM]
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2/18/2007  12:29 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by holfresh:


Eddy doesn't make 10 mil per year...It's more like 8 per which is a bargain for what he brings in todays NBA...Eddy is not the reason the cap is what it is...If a player get major minutes then he should be expected to do certain things for you, thats how it works...It's not based on salary...If you are a center you should be able to grab some rebounds and block a few shot and deter penetrators, score..If you are a PF you should rebound, block a few shots, play a little interior defense, help control paint, be able to score on you own although not that important...Unfortunately the Knicks have players that only excel in one area, far too many...Blaming Eddy is just a cop out... Eddy can help and maybe we can expect more because he is the most gifted front line player we have...But blaming Eddy is a cop out because we are ignoring the deficiencies of the entire front line...

Now on the Rashard...The Knicks does not need scoring, they need defense...The Knicks are usually in games and can score so thats not the problem...You can't really tell what type of defender a player is unless he plays for your team...You have to see his games night in and night out...I'm not saying Rashard is not a good defender, his numbers defensively doesn't show it..We need a play to help control the paint and defend in the post...I haven't seen much of Rashard but I doubt he is that...
The Knicks would be wise to trade for players that would help in places of need..Rashard helps with three point shooting and these players can be had at much cheaper rates...


So basically you are just contradicting yourself?

How is that contradictory?

Why not highlight my entire statement about his defense...Why are you picking half a though to nit pick..Highlight the entire thought...



[Edited by - holfresh on 02-18-2007 12:32 PM]
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2/18/2007  12:31 PM
Posted by holfresh:

Eddy doesn't make 10 mil per year...It's more like 8 per which is a bargain for what he brings in todays NBA...Eddy is not the reason the cap is what it is...If a player get major minutes then he should be expected to do certain things for you, thats how it works...It's not based on salary...If you are a center you should be able to grab some rebounds and block a few shot and deter penetrators, score..If you are a PF you should rebound, block a few shots, play a little interior defense, help control paint, be able to score on you own although not that important...Unfortunately the Knicks have players that only excel in one area, far too many...Blaming Eddy is just a cop out... Eddy can help and maybe we can expect more because he is the most gifted front line player we have...But blaming Eddy is a cop out because we are ignoring the deficiencies of the entire front line...
I agree blaming Eddy soley is a cop out but lets be real, he has the talent and the athleticism to do do a whole lot more and has never even shown flashes of it. I think its a huge problem for the future makeup of this team.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 02-18-2007 12:40 PM]
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2/18/2007  12:35 PM

Now on the Rashard...The Knicks does not need scoring, they need defense...The Knicks are usually in games and can score so thats not the problem...You can't really tell what type of defender a player is unless he plays for your team...You have to see his games night in and night out...I'm not saying Rashard is not a good defender, his numbers defensively doesn't show it..We need a player to help control the paint and defend in the post...I haven't seen much of Rashard but I doubt he is that...
The Knicks would be wise to trade for players that would help in places of need..I wouldn't trade key pieces for add ons when it won't take us to the next level...Rashard helps with three point shooting, these type of players can be had at much cheaper rates...


Thats my entire thought, not just the segregated parts that illustrates your point...
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