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BRIGGS
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2/16/2007  6:24 PM
Curry
Lee
crawford

you can say what you want but we can work with it. yes there is NO doubt in my mind that we could ALREADY have much better parts aroudn it--and IT has NOT proven he can deliver the parts-----but if he should stay---I hope that they take a vigorous look into improving the team and not stay put--with the thinking stay together get better etc.. while there is truth to that--we need things we dont have and we'll have to give up to get back.
I still dont know if frye is a number 4 in that gang--for better or for worse I would like to see them keep frye and balkman IN the game asap
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2/16/2007  7:09 PM
IMO, we will never win with Crawford starting. This team needs a true stud wing player if they ever want to contend. Brandon Roy woulda been nice.
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2/16/2007  7:16 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:

IMO, we will never win with Crawford starting. This team needs a true stud wing player if they ever want to contend. Brandon Roy woulda been nice.


just for hypotheticals:


Bynum
Lee
Q
Roy
Marbury/Crawf


Plus our pick this year, plus more hope for cap space...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/16/2007  7:25 PM
I agree with briggs, and I would include crawford because he has good chemistry with curry, Lee is a player and I like balkman because of his great athleticism and length... Frye I like but if we can use him to get needed pieces, then so be it..
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2/16/2007  7:36 PM
I'm no Crawford hater either, I've gone to great lengths supporting him on this forum for a long time, but unless he changes his game and starts playing within a team style ball, he's only going to hinder this team.
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2/16/2007  8:27 PM
I would love to see Craw as our full time starting PG.
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2/17/2007  2:12 AM
Posted by nyk4ever:

IMO, we will never win with Crawford starting. This team needs a true stud wing player if they ever want to contend. Brandon Roy woulda been nice.

SmallForward doesn't count as a wing postion????? Crawford is big enough to say a team can never win with him starting on it.


I like Crawford, he is a bigtime scorer and isn't a max deal type ego. HE can play with players better then him. We need a real SmallForward and a Real Point guard. YOu stick a Andre Miller or Raymond Felton, Kirk Hinrich with any of the million Small forwards in the NBA who can alittle of everything and that's the way to go. Q and Marbury are not close to being those types and always injuried.

[Edited by - anji on 02-17-2007 02:13 AM]
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2/17/2007  6:29 AM
We have two major weaknesses on defense. Our interior defense is terrible. Curry, Lee and Frye are all defensive liabilities. One of them - I suspect Frye has to be replaced by someone who can play both 4 and 5. We need someone who will play very good defense and who isn't too bad in other aspects of the game (as JJ1 and JJ2 both are).

The second problem is defense at the 2. Many teams have good to great scorers at the 2, so our defense there is hurting us. Craw has shown signs of getting it done at times. If he can focus on playing his best d (as Marbury has done) we can live with him there. But I wouldn't mind upgrading that position, too.
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2/17/2007  10:26 AM
If this team wants to go somewhere in the future, they need to accomplish 2 things:
1) reduce their turnovers and 2)defend the perimeter..

Those are the 2 areas they heavily need to improve if they want to consider themselves an elite squad in the NBA.

Knicks do have players on their squad that can at contain the shooting guards/small forwards.
Qrich, Balkman and sometimes Jeffries.


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2/17/2007  10:38 AM
Curry and Crawford are NOT players to build around. You build around versatile, tough 2-way players. Lee would be a great piece to build with but it's not a good sign when he's your *best* player.
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2/18/2007  1:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry and Crawford are NOT players to build around. You build around versatile, tough 2-way players. Lee would be a great piece to build with but it's not a good sign when he's your *best* player.

Have to play the cards you have. Knicks still dont go to Curry enough--I would make sure he had 17-20 FGA every game. EC is only averaging 12.5--no one can stop Curry and he's shooting 60%--that is why they must make a serious attempt to raise his fGA's. Lee is glue--maybe under-rated and while I can agree with you somewhat on Crawford because he is so hot/cold--there are signs that show potential to play more effecient--his natural skills are high all-star level. We might need a 4th guy--maybe like a Vince Carter to tie things up. I would seriously entertain adding Carter if I could do it. Then be smart with the money next year--something we just have not done.
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2/18/2007  2:11 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Curry and Crawford are NOT players to build around. You build around versatile, tough 2-way players. Lee would be a great piece to build with but it's not a good sign when he's your *best* player.

Have to play the cards you have.
Or you could decide that your "big three" really aren't a big three worth building around and tear down the roster and start over. That's what I wold do but I doubt Dolan will ever let a GM do real, long-term rebuilding.
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2/18/2007  10:38 AM
If I ruled the world in 2008

Crawford at the point guard

Balkman, a year wiser, with a vastly improved jump shot, if only for his defensive ability

Rashard Lewis/Kevin Garnett, I don't care which one - length and outside range

A year wiser and mature David Lee

Curry, just starting to find his voice

but that's just me



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2/18/2007  12:08 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:


Or you could decide that your "big three" really aren't a big three worth building around and tear down the roster and start over. That's what I wold do but I doubt Dolan will ever let a GM do real, long-term rebuilding.

Ditto.
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2/18/2007  5:13 PM
If Jamal Crawford is in your "BIG 3", you're in deep trouble.
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2/18/2007  5:45 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Curry
Lee
crawford

you can say what you want but we can work with it. yes there is NO doubt in my mind that we could ALREADY have much better parts aroudn it--and IT has NOT proven he can deliver the parts-----but if he should stay---I hope that they take a vigorous look into improving the team and not stay put--with the thinking stay together get better etc.. while there is truth to that--we need things we dont have and we'll have to give up to get back.
I still dont know if frye is a number 4 in that gang--for better or for worse I would like to see them keep frye and balkman IN the game asap

I still am not sold on Curry. My problem is still that he doesn't do the small stuff... ifhe can start really rebounding and weak side defense, then I am cool with him. I like Qrich a lot more than the rest of you, though he really belongs at the 2 instead of the three... I am tired of Frye, he has a lot of potential but hasn't really shown an ability to adapt his offensive game against defensive sets that take away his 18ft jumper.

So:

Craw-PG
Qrich-SG
SF----I agree with the need for a real SF...
Lee: PF
Curry: C

Bench:
Balkman
Cato

Frye, Nate and Collins can be used to help ditch Francis, Marbury, MRose, Jeffries and James, in that order.


Here's my logic...Q is a very good defender at the 2/3. Craw has speed and length at the 1. Lee can clean up a lot of the bad shots Q and Craw are going to take and can move without the ball when curry is double teamed. My ideal SF? Artest...craziness and all. Bring him in like Sprewell. He will give the garden a little toughness that it needs. And a real defensive presence at the swing.

Start filling in the holes with high energy players that can spell the starters for a bit, but let the starting 5 play 35+ mins per game...
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2/18/2007  6:12 PM
EwingsGlass - would you be as tired of the often-injured Marcus Camby?
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2/18/2007  7:27 PM
Posted by misterearl:

EwingsGlass - would you be as tired of the often-injured Marcus Camby?

At the PF or C? The criticism of Camby going all the way back was that his frame wasn't big and strong enough to "bang with the big boys" thus causing his injuries. As a PF, I would love to have him back (understanding that Lee would lose minutes) where he could play help defense rather than being posted by big bodied centers. Nene, however, is who I really would like from the Nuggets... If you think Frye has the capability to learn defense the way Camby did, well, I am all for it...
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2/18/2007  9:13 PM
as long as isiah is around, those 3 are probably untouchable.

with that said, the other 2 players need to be STUDS, especially the other guard. this team needs 2 things in the worst way: a point guard (like a REAL point guard - somebody that knows how to run an offense and has a feel for the game and it's situations) and a stud PF that will pretty much be able to make up for the poor defense elsewhere in the lineup.

it's tough to see lee as a long term starter here with curry at center. not enough defense to win big in this league. and crawford, may be able to pass at the point guard (like jason terry) but we're gonna need a STUD somewhere else in the lineup. otherwise we need a point guard that knows how to run and control the team (since getting that STUD will be next to impossible).

and it's difficult for me to see exactly HOW we are going to acquire such pieces without giving up much of our youth and picks since we have no more expirings for another 2 seasons.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 02-18-2007 9:13 PM]
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