I am just wondering why Isiah has a job, and why people think this team has made strides?

Everyone says that Isiah is a good coach and he deserves credit for getting his 20 million dollar pg to play defense, and Eddy is taking over the city, is an All-Star, whatever. I hear this talk of the Knicks competing.

Are they really?

53 GAMES (Blown-out 15 times, lost by 15 ten times)
Anytime we get a big win we follow it up with a huge loss.

EDDY CURRY IS JUST NOT THAT GOOD, AND ISN”T A FRANCHISE PLAYER

The Raptors have 29 wins (Chris Bosh missed significant time) We are better at four positions than them, have a stronger bench and they have 6 more wins
The Nets are missing two starters and are playing with the Worst starter in the NBA, and Mikki Moore in their frontcourt, also with a better record
Orlando (Has managed to win 27 games, E-City isn’t as good as Howard but we seem to have a stronger starting team and a deeper bench)
New Orleans (2 more wins than us, Paul, Jackson, Peja, and West have all missed significant time, more than half the season but of course they are right there)
The Bucks have four less wins (Redd has missed 23 games)

So where is our future if your not worried, you a better man than most, Curry is supposed to be a budding All-Star than why can’t he lead this team to a .500 record?

Isiah has been Larryesque….
1. We have used a million different lineups
2. The team gives up more than they score
3. They lead the league in technical fouls and turnovers
4. He lets his terrible moves as a GM effect his coaching. (Balkman is twice the player JJ is already but is relegated to the bench because Isiah is a ****ing idiot)
5. His matchups and player combinations leave something to be desired.

If you thought last year was a 23 win team, they weren’t we have more talent than half the eastern conference, so winning 35 games isn’t an accomplishment…..

If this team isn’t turned over there will be no progress

Agree with you on Zeke.

But not on Eddy Monster.

Name 5 other young centers that you would prefer to have over Eddy.
Eddy is good and getting better. Does he have flaws? No doubt!
But there are just not to many 25-year 7-footers that average 20 and 7.

A frontline of D Lee, Frye, and Curry is very promising. No need to turn that over…

The Raptors have 29 wins (Chris Bosh missed significant time) We are better at four positions than them, have a stronger bench and they have 6 more wins

so you think this team has more talent than a team like the Raptors, but want to fire the guy responsible for bringing in that talent... am i confusing something here or is that what you're saying?

Curry is supposed to be a budding All-Star than why can’t he lead this team to a .500 record?

good question... maybe you should ask Paul Pierce, a proven Allstar superstar, why he can't lead his team to a playoff berth this year under those same standards? why can't D Wade lead his team to 1 of the top records in a weak Eastern Conference when he's 1 of the top 10 players in the game today? why can't Jason Kidd & Vince Carter lead their Nets team to a better record? you want to blame Eddy Curry for not being able to lead this team to a better record, but have zero to say about other bonafide stars on other teams whose teams have severely underperformed this season... you're very consistent in your views i've noticed.

Well I have noticed that you fail to look at the parts we have vs the Celtics and the Raptors. And the Knicks are unachievers who make excuses and that has to fall on the gms shoulders...

One player obviously can't do it alone, Pierce is a good example.

TMS
Is Marbury better than the pg of the Celtics, Raptors or Heat? I would say yes, altough TJ has played well
Is Crawford better than Gerald Green right now or Calderon, I think you could make the case obviously he is not better than DWADE
Is Q a better sf than any of the three teams you mentioned? Again I say he is, he rebounds, defends and hits the three
At power foward I think you can make the case we have the stronger combo than the Celts, Heat (close Haslem and Lee are similiar, but we have Frye also) Bosh obviously is one of the better players in the game so they are stronger there....

DO you feel Curry is better or much better than Mourning, Andres, or Jefferson......Everyone seems to think so....

I think our parts are a lot better than the teams you mentioned....The Nets have a better record than us and haven't been playing with Jefferson and Kristic, their frontcourt consists of Moore, Collins and Cliff Robinson...There reserve guards are journey men

DWade was playing with two out of shape players, no Jason Williams, no Shaq, they are at 500, he kept them close with no bench......The Celtics are the youngest team in the league and are playing right now with kids, many of whom were late picks and no vetrans its impossible to win in that situation.

My point is I think there is good talent on this team more than a few other teams ahead of us, do you not agree. I think our record would be better if Alonzo was our starting center, I think that Currys impact on the game is very minimal most nights because he kills the team with his lack of passion, scoring is great but everyone is so excited with what he is doing, and I think if everyone thinks he is an allstar, with the talent on our roster we should be better than the Nets, the Magic, the Raptors, and have a better record right now than the heat.

Posted by MS:

Well I have noticed that you fail to look at the parts we have vs the Celtics and the Raptors.

no, i actually DO realize what type of talent we have on this team... that's why you don't hear me complaining about the fact that a work in progress like Eddy Curry isn't a franchise player yet & laying blame on his shoulders for this team not being at .500 right now... you're the one doing that.

as for D Wade & Paul Pierce, both those guys are bonafide, proven superstar players... under your logic, their teams should have much better records than they currently have because you could honestly say that both those guys are franchise calibre... what you have to realize is that it takes a lot more than just 1 or 2 players sometimes to make a contender, especially when it comes to the current situation this team is under right now after having gone through a few seasons of turmoil & tremendous roster & coaching turn over year after year... it takes a few years to develop chemistry & for a team to form an identity... any one who follows the sport should know this... very few teams go from a league worst team to a contender in the span of 1 season unless your superstar player was injured 1 season & your team tanked to get the next superstar draft pick, like the Spurs did in the late 90's.

I think our parts are a lot better than the teams you mentioned... I think there is good talent on this team more than a few other teams ahead of us

the fact that you're acknowledging the fact that the talent on this team is better than that on a lot of other teams, & yet are calling for the GM who put those parts together to be fired is what i find a little puzzling... you cry & moan daily about the fact that guys like Jamal & Curry can't carry this team to a playoff berth, & yet go & make excuses for the teams D Wade & Pierce have been playing on this season saying they've been playing w/inferior talent all season long... to me, those are hypocritical points of view... if you think the talent on this team is superior to a lot of the teams in the East, you should also be giving props to the guy who put that talent together, don't you think? if you're NOT happy with the talent on the roster, then you need to stop laying the blame at the footsteps of any 1 or 2 players on this team for not propelling the team to a better record... you can't have it both ways when it comes to the Knicks & not hold the same standards for other teams... that to me is inconsistency on your part.

My point is our gm has done a terrible job with the roster, he has brought in talent here but even though we are more talented its not going to mess, he doesn't have a clue what he is doing. His rotations and combinations of players is absurd.

The other teams mentioned such as the heat is built around two players and when one goes down your left with role players that don't file their role unless they are open and doing what they were brought in to do......

Like you brought up with the Spurs with their quick turnaround they were built around Robinson and he went down, they already had a decent team put together, they just got lucky. My point with Curry is if everyone thinks he is so good and he has a good pg, sf and an pretty decent pf and nice talent around him we should be at 500. Thats not holding someone to a high standard, Bosh and Howard are just as young. Eddy is the focal point, the center of the offense....

When you are looking at our season you have to place a good majority of the blame on Curry because if he committed himself to training in the offseason dropping weight and coming into camp in shape instead of playing into shape we would have had a better start to the season. He doesn't try he is a fat lazy dump of **** and we are putting the franchise in the hands of a kid that really doesn't care, he doesn't want to defend, help, or rebound. If Eddy tried on defense we would be leading the division, thats a fact

Zeke is not a great coach, he was put in a do or die situation with a flawed team. He is the coach that this team is responding to. He's making mistakes, he's still learning to coach. It isn't like he's been a head coach for 15 years. The players have to execute. Players making bone-headed mistakes are the players fault, they have to find confidence and consistency. Curry frustrates me but I do believe that he will get better, somehow, some way that light will flick on and he'll get better. This is our future (for now) whether we like it or not. Most expected too much of this team, I always thought that this year would be just as it's been, it could have been a little better. Next season I expect better. They have shown that they can play, they just have to learn to be consistant.

Posted by TMS:

Posted by Elite:

great post MS i agree with you

you forgot the T bro... but that's OK, i forgive u.

Bwahaha.

Posted by TMS:

When you are looking at our season you have to place a good majority of the blame on Curry because if he committed himself to training in the offseason dropping weight and coming into camp in shape instead of playing into shape we would have had a better start to the season. He doesn't try he is a fat lazy dump of **** and we are putting the franchise in the hands of a kid that really doesn't care, he doesn't want to defend, help, or rebound. If Eddy tried on defense we would be leading the division, thats a fact

he's having his best season as a pro... can't see how you're saying he doesn't care or that he hasn't worked hard this year to improve his game... can he stand to improve defensively? obviously... but to say he's just a lazy piece of crap that doesn't care takes any credibility away from your argument.

Curry moves out of the way on defense so he doesn't risk getting a foul. The sad part is, his scoring is up, but his defense is down (and it wasn't good to begin with). I'm not even sure he's had a positive impact on the team. I think we're just showcasing Curry's ppg so Isiah doesn't look bad for giving up such a large package. Curry IS lazy on defense. He's almost automatic when he gets the ball down low in a single team. In a double team, we get screwed because Curry can't pass out of the post. I think MOST people on the board agree that Curry has a long way to go. The difference in opinion is those who think Curry can go much further, vs. those who think he's not going to improve in the areas he's weak in and his ego has been largely inflated, so he's not trying hard to work on those flaws (thanks a lot Steph!).

TMS anytime your about to make a relevant point you follow it up with something incredibly stupid; what is the most fun thing to do on the basketball court, be realistic it's scoring, it's shooting, etc that takes little effort. For me to say a a large majority of the blame falls on eddy curry is exactly correct.

If we had Okafur in the middle or Mourning we are a better team if they dont score at all because they challenge shots. What Eddy does is not all that special, granted he is one of the better scoring big men in the league but most players don't take half of the game off....

Here is why he is to blame
1. Never rotates on defense
2. Rarely ever jumps for rebounds
3. Is a ****ing disgrace at changing shots (Balkman 32 Blks Eddy 25)
-Gasol I believe had almost that total in two weeks, and why he doesn't jump higher than Eddy and isn't as athletic going straight up, perhaps its because he makes an effort
4. Never gets position
5. Its not that hard to patrol the lane and at least get your hands up, still he never does it

Eddy is the Tim Thomas of centers, seriously

And as far as the Heat, Walker stinks, Payton is 100, Williams has missed the entire season, they are playing with Chris Quinn in the backcourt, Simien is less athletic than frye and is weak inside. We have a better team than then without shaq......

AND of course you can blame isiah for the mismatched talent, its easy to get talent when your taking on a terrible contract

Cato for nothing of James for 30 million
Marbury > Francis so why take on 48 million
Balkman > Jefferies so again why 30 million

So from a fiscal point of view you could have had balkman and Cato making defensive contributions for 2 million, but have these *******s getting 10.

You could have signed someone like anthony johnson or darrell armstrong or even steve blake for 1 million but you bring in Francis for 15 million, Isiah is one of the worst executives i have ever seen, he does something good and then ****s the team for years by trying to prove he has a brain which he doesn't.

I think you can bring in a guy off the street and he would do a better job

You know whats funny if they were forcefeeding Frye in the low post like they are doing with Curry he would probably average 25 - 30 points a game. He is a better passer, rebounder and free throw shooter and he can also mix it up because of his jumpshot. I don't why for the life of me when Curry is out of the game and Frye is on the court why are we forced to see a 6'11" shooting guard. Somehow I think Frye would be a better all around player if we didn't have Curry. Frye and Lee is a better option in the front court.


When used properly, Let's trade Curry for a star SG

[Edited by - buddapaw on 02-16-2007 10:32 AM]