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2/15/2007  9:40 AM
1st Quarter. Vs. Golden State. Let me break it down to you why we lost

Look no further than Jerome James/Malik Rose.

Well maybe you can look further to Isiah for putting them once again in a position where they just could not succeed.

Think im buggin? Let me break it down for you.

Our first 2 possessions of the game:

James Turnaround Jump Shot: Missed 11:25
James Jump Shot: Missed Block: Harrington (1 BLK) 10:57

We are immediately down 4-0.

Then we start going to Curry for a few trips... get it to 5-6.

Jerome James comes out.. sigh of relief.

Wait... That guy coming off the bench to replace him isnt white... Thats not our super Lee... who is that??? wait.. WHO???? MALIK!??!!? with 10 min left in the first!?!?!?

At this point I already knew we were doomed - On a game like this it is absolutely imparitive to come out strong, get it clicking early. 2nd of a back to back right before the allstar break - I knew if we started slow it would result in... well what it resulted in.

For the next 4 possesions after Malik came in we actually caught up. Why? Malik diddnt get involved. Curry/Qrich both scored and GS said wait a minute.. This guy is not a threat.. So they started to leave malik all by him self. Now this guy seems to think he has a jump shot (I dont know maybe Tim Duncan used to gas him up)

Malik continued to go 2-6 from the floor (HE SHOT 6 TIMES in 8 MINUTES... MALIK ROSE THE NEW FOCAL POINT OF OUR OFFENSE) Committed 2 fouls, traveled once and vualla we are down 30-19 when Malik Rose leaves the game.

Thats all she wrote folks.

Now why Isiah would insert the slow footed Malik Rose to chase around Al Harrington on the perimiter is beyond me. But whats even FURTHER beyond me is why he would START 7-1 400 pound Jerome Sloth on a player as vercitile as Harrington.

So in short - THank you Malik Rose for doing your best Tim Duncan impression once again. We know you have a need to show the youngins that you can talk your walk but it just never works old man... It never works.

I Can't be too mad at him and jerome tho, they tried... But Isiah .. oh Isiah.. Why did you do this to us last night.. why.. are you trying to torture us? Did you really think Jerome+Malik was the early answer to get us off to a good start?? Did you really?..... REALLY!?!?!?!??

I Wish, oh I wish i could speak to Isiah for 5 minutes today and ask him these questions.... Maybe one of the journalists will see this post and pass it on to him for me. Untill then... Go Nate/Lee (Allstar weekend).. yay
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2/15/2007  9:46 AM
Our whole defense = horseshizat.
Francis's shot selection = horseshyat.
Eddie Curry doing anything besides scoring = horseshyat.
Channing Frye while playing next to Curry = Horseshyat.
Renaldo Balkman frequently thinking he's Jason Kidd = horseshyat.
QRich's failing to consistently stay on the court = horsehyat.
Jared = horseshyat

Yeah, all blame falls on Malik and Jerome who get little to no playing time in the first place.
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2/15/2007  9:49 AM
We used 11 players thru the first 16 min of the game.

This game looked alot like last year.

Play the bloated then bring in the kids to make a run back. When they get gassed, and they do (part of the game), we then lose our momentum and can't sustain it. Making up 30 pts in a game is tough.

The trio of Nate-Balk-Lee looked good but at that point they had nothing to lose and created caos. Nice run.

Oh, and the Scowel towel came back!

But, I forgot who made an error and Marbs literally reached out and made nice rather than the Scowel. Marbs is getting better.

Watched on league pass with Rick Barry calling the game. He does a good job. He called out our interior defence as it was: Pathetic! We do rebound well though!

I don't understand the whole JJ thing. Malik is being showcased and he looks like he can still play but he needs to connect a bit more. They were giving it to him! I think he is good for 15 min but lets face it, give the time to the youngins!

Nate can play but we don't seem to win with him in the game. HE got big junk minutes and played hard.

Francis looked out of synch. Passes just going thru his hands!

Bad night.
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2/15/2007  9:50 AM
All those things you mentioned could have been covered up if we got off to a good start. Malik+James prevented us from getting off to a good start. Read my post man I dont see how you can disagree, the evidence is all there
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2/15/2007  9:52 AM
I don't know where we are going with rose and james--this isnt the future of knicks? no one wants these players either. so why waste time?
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2/15/2007  9:52 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Our whole defense = horseshizat.
Francis's shot selection = horseshyat.
Eddie Curry doing anything besides scoring = horseshyat.
Channing Frye while playing next to Curry = Horseshyat.
Renaldo Balkman frequently thinking he's Jason Kidd = horseshyat.
QRich's failing to consistently stay on the court = horsehyat.
Jared = horseshyat

Yeah, all blame falls on Malik and Jerome who get little to no playing time in the first place.

LOL.
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2/15/2007  9:58 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know where we are going with rose and james--this isnt the future of knicks? no one wants these players either. so why waste time?


Exactly - they do not contribute and nobody will take them off our hands. THere is no point in playing them EVER.

The ONLY time I would play Jerome is if we play Shaq or Yao

The ONLY time I would play Malik is against Duncan or another PF that is murdering our guys in the LOW POST.

But still, only for spot minutes and NOT TO START TEH GAME.

Isiah just puts these guys in bad spots, there is no way they could succeed in the situations he puts them in. Jerome James on Al Harrington?? Come on man!!!!!!!!! WAKE UP
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2/15/2007  10:02 AM
I have to agree. There is no way Rose should have been in the game. Lee or Frye should have been put in. I don't know if it costed us the game b/c Jackson was on fire, but it certainly did not help.
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2/15/2007  10:19 AM
JJ1 and Rose early in the game definately contributed to us being down by that much in the 1st quarter, but the assessment on Balkman, Frye and QRich I would have to disagree.

Balkman - That is his game. We can't pick on him on the day he makes a mistake pushing the ball then laud him when it works. He is what he is .... a rookie.

Frye - He didn't play much with Curry in the 1st quarter and he has shown considerable improvement to not be a liability when paired with Curry.

Q - He has been one of the constants in this team, minus the injuries, he gets a pass on him getting ejected. He showed passion and I cannot fault him for that. Also, he was getting bumped with no call.

[Edited by - NYKBocker on 02-15-2007 10:20 AM]
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2/15/2007  10:19 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know where we are going with rose and james--this isnt the future of knicks? no one wants these players either. so why waste time?

Totally agree. Reminds me of last yr when had all the inconsistant/headscratching lineups. What is the point of playing James the first 3 minutes of the game and sit him the remaining 45 mins? Jared gets a cameo in the first half for about 5 mins and hes burried.

We are 23-30 for crying out loud, play the youngsters. Stick to a damn plan for once. Pick a rotation and let it marinate.
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2/15/2007  10:27 AM
Not so fast Elite ZAYU starting James has made all the difference in the world.(sarcasm)

Offensively having those guys in wasn't a good thing but the main problem was not playing defense all night from jump ball. Did Jerome and Malik have the assignment of gaurding Jackson who scored 36pts? No! What about Monta Ellis only missing 2 shots was he gaurded by Jerome or Malik? No! How many of the 20 turnovers did Malik and Jerome committ? Those guys threw the offensive rythm off but defensively this team mailed it in from the start.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:36 AM]
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2/15/2007  10:32 AM
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know where we are going with rose and james--this isnt the future of knicks? no one wants these players either. so why waste time?

Totally agree. Reminds me of last yr when had all the inconsistant/headscratching lineups. What is the point of playing James the first 3 minutes of the game and sit him the remaining 45 mins? Jared gets a cameo in the first half for about 5 mins and hes burried.

We are 23-30 for crying out loud, play the youngsters. Stick to a damn plan for once. Pick a rotation and let it marinate.


IT might feel somewhat compelled to give James him a few token minutes at the beginning of the game because he is a vet and he does provide some interior presence. Chicago used to do that all the time with Bill Cartwright, who would almost always take the first shot of the game. The bigger problem was playing Rose and then making him the feature of the offense. If he is going to be out there, he needs to learn to let Curry, Q, and Marbury do the scoring and get the h*ll out of the way on offense.
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2/15/2007  10:34 AM
^ True. Stephen Jackson was on fire. I always believed in using a hard foul to get a hot player off track. We should have slapped him silly.
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2/15/2007  10:37 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Our whole defense = horseshizat.
Francis's shot selection = horseshyat.
Eddie Curry doing anything besides scoring = horseshyat.
Channing Frye while playing next to Curry = Horseshyat.
Renaldo Balkman frequently thinking he's Jason Kidd = horseshyat.
QRich's failing to consistently stay on the court = horsehyat.
Jared = horseshyat

Yeah, all blame falls on Malik and Jerome who get little to no playing time in the first place.
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2/15/2007  10:44 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:

Not so fast Elite ZAYU starting James has made all the difference in the world.(sarcasm)

Offensively having those guys in wasn't a good thing but the main problem was not playing defense all night from jump ball. Did Jerome and Malik have the assignment of gaurding Jackson who scored 36pts? No! What about Monta Ellis only missing 2 shots was he gaurded by Jerome or Malik? No! How many of the 20 turnovers did Malik and Jerome committ? Those guys threw the offensive rythm off but defensively this team mailed it in from the start.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:36 AM]


You are right but I think a big reason why we stopped competing was because of the early hole these guys got us in on offense.

Our team usually plays good D once we get it going on offense. If we had more of a offensive flow in the first quarter and kept close I garuntee our defensive effort would have been better.
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Posted by TheGame:
Posted by bigbeast:
Posted by BRIGGS:

I don't know where we are going with rose and james--this isnt the future of knicks? no one wants these players either. so why waste time?

Totally agree. Reminds me of last yr when had all the inconsistant/headscratching lineups. What is the point of playing James the first 3 minutes of the game and sit him the remaining 45 mins? Jared gets a cameo in the first half for about 5 mins and hes burried.

We are 23-30 for crying out loud, play the youngsters. Stick to a damn plan for once. Pick a rotation and let it marinate.


IT might feel somewhat compelled to give James him a few token minutes at the beginning of the game because he is a vet and he does provide some interior presence. Chicago used to do that all the time with Bill Cartwright, who would almost always take the first shot of the game. The bigger problem was playing Rose and then making him the feature of the offense. If he is going to be out there, he needs to learn to let Curry, Q, and Marbury do the scoring and get the h*ll out of the way on offense.

First off, Cartwright was lightyrs ahead of James in terms of talent. I understand why IT is starting off the games with James (to give them a defensive presence) but it hasn't worked since the Orlando game. Plus, Cartwright played on a championship calliber team, Knicks are 7 games under 500 so it should be a different agenda. IT should be focused on playin the youth as much as possible. Every move, trade should be fouced on improving, helping and getting more youth to build with.

Besides, playing James and Curry togther throws everything out of whack. Nither can guard 4's and its a trickle down affect on the others who are scrambling trying recover and help out. It would be a better argument if IT committed to James. It makes no sense to play James the first 3 mins then pull him and never put him back in. That accomplishes nothing. Its the non-committment thats hurting this teams progress.

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2/15/2007  10:58 AM
Posted by Elite:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Not so fast Elite ZAYU starting James has made all the difference in the world.(sarcasm)

Offensively having those guys in wasn't a good thing but the main problem was not playing defense all night from jump ball. Did Jerome and Malik have the assignment of gaurding Jackson who scored 36pts? No! What about Monta Ellis only missing 2 shots was he gaurded by Jerome or Malik? No! How many of the 20 turnovers did Malik and Jerome committ? Those guys threw the offensive rythm off but defensively this team mailed it in from the start.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:36 AM]


You are right but I think a big reason why we stopped competing was because of the early hole these guys got us in on offense.

Our team usually plays good D once we get it going on offense. If we had more of a offensive flow in the first quarter and kept close I garuntee our defensive effort would have been better.


One of the main flaws of this team it's really a total offenisve mentality. That would be Ok if the Knicks were the Suns but they aren't. This also exposes the vulnerability of the team in that you can win the game in the first qrt against them.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:59 AM]
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2/15/2007  11:08 AM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by Elite:
Posted by TrueBlue:

Not so fast Elite ZAYU starting James has made all the difference in the world.(sarcasm)

Offensively having those guys in wasn't a good thing but the main problem was not playing defense all night from jump ball. Did Jerome and Malik have the assignment of gaurding Jackson who scored 36pts? No! What about Monta Ellis only missing 2 shots was he gaurded by Jerome or Malik? No! How many of the 20 turnovers did Malik and Jerome committ? Those guys threw the offensive rythm off but defensively this team mailed it in from the start.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:36 AM]


You are right but I think a big reason why we stopped competing was because of the early hole these guys got us in on offense.

Our team usually plays good D once we get it going on offense. If we had more of a offensive flow in the first quarter and kept close I garuntee our defensive effort would have been better.


One of the main flaws of this team it's really a total offenisve mentality. That would be Ok if the Knicks were the Suns but they aren't. This also exposes the vulnerability of the team in that you can win the game in the first qrt against them.



[Edited by - TrueBlue on 02-15-2007 09:59 AM]

Agreed but that still does not justify starting Jerome and or playing Malik meaningful minutes. If you want to establish a defensive mentality that starts with the coach. Do it in practice - dont play guys that are inneffective to try and proove a point - we saw what effect that had last year. Its not like Malik and Jerome are GOOD defenders anyways.. they are just less bad then the rest of our team and the amount of ground we loose offensively playing them is far worse than whatever inch we gain on defense. It just makes no sense.

Sure we have bigger problems but at least try as best you can to win as many games as you can - Playing Jerome/Malik doesent help long term and it doesent help short term there is NO justification for it. NONE
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2/15/2007  11:14 AM
i don't see how on earth we started what could have been a significant game for us by going through jerome james on the first two possessions (i think, may have been 2 of the first 3 but still...). and then let malik shoot away?

in general i try not to critique coaches decisions too much. i'll say i'm not thrilled with starting jerome, but would tolerate it. but what i can't stand is we actually force feed him the ball on offense to open games. i mean, he's got to be our 10th best offensive player, maybe? he's not in there to score, not if he's supposed to complement eddy's game. what kind of game plan is this? ridiculous.

i think if we somehow like the concept of starting jerome, we should start renaldo instead. he's basically better at everything basketball related except being tall. like someone said- maybe we start or play jerome spot minutes against yao or shaq. but against average teams and especially ones like GS, unleahs the balkmania! this game was tailor-made for renaldo to make an immediate impact.
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2/15/2007  11:22 AM
I HATE to see Jerome in there early and then to add insult to injury and try to feature this guy on offense? It just made no sense. I didn't like any of Isiah's early moves. Having Malik in there also made no sense. I think the idea was to try and give a tired team a break, but he shouldn't be worrying about that. just play the kids already. If anything why not give Cato a chance. Cuz he's better than James in my mind.

We also should be giving Balkman and Collins a shot to help with the Defense. Collins is a solid ball handler and a good defender with more size than any of our other guards. This is why we drafted him, so why is Isiah so reluctant to use him? In fact most of the time he comes in he does a decent job. Who knows what he'd do if he saw more minutes.
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