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JohnWallace44
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2/11/2007  12:14 AM
With all of the strides that this team is making this year, I just don't get why we play like we're owed something whenever we start doing well. I get that all of the players on this team have been medium level stars at some point, college or pro, so they have confidence. Confidence is great, but we hav to keep scrapping game after game instead of what we're doing now. Teams like Atlanta and Denver do the same thing. They are packed with talented offensive players and don't close teams out at times.

Watching a game like this trash against Utah makes me think that we really need to deal some of the extra parts on this team for a vet with killer instinct like Allen, or we just need to clear out the roster so that energy guys like Nate and B-Man have room to get minutes when we go cold.

I get that the refs pretty much threw the game, but we were the better team even considering that and we had opportunities to win.

You could see in the Utah game that we have the ability to be among the 2nd level teams in the NBA, but there is an attitude that is missing. I'm tired of Q, Jeffries, James, and even Craw sometimes. Steph is a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd quarter point guard, and that's disappointing, but I can live with it. There's just something missing with our 2/3 positions and I'm not sure that there's a quick answer, but man is it frustrating to watch this team when they are so close.
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2/11/2007  1:26 AM
I know what you're talking about. we win a game and we get fat. the 2nd game vs Charlotte was a perfect example. we came out all relaxed and got blown out at home. I'm always worried this sort of thing will happen with us, it's one of the reasons I always expect us to play better against the elite teams and worse against the sub500 teams. bottom line is this team has talent but mentally they just don't play with fire for 48 minutes. some times I just want to see someone throw a towel or slam their fist on the scorer's table just to show me they care
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2/11/2007  10:14 AM
It's because we're just not that good yet, but everytime we win we think we've made it. I said in another thread, we're the only team in the league that throws a party when we go .500 for the week. We have a very spoiled team with a lot of players with attitudes not condusive to winning. Get rid of those players and you'll see this problem start to go away.
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2/11/2007  10:28 AM
we're really Young (and athletic).
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
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2/11/2007  11:13 AM
Are we? What's our average age compared to the rest of the league? I think Isles once started a thread about this. Where's that search function!?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]
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2/11/2007  11:24 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:

we're really Young (and athletic).
Yup. Thats how young teams react to wins. Our core group Curry, Frye, Lee and Crawford have to mature. They need to come out with the same intensity night in and night out. I think that will come with time.
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2/11/2007  12:35 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by babyKnicks:

we're really Young (and athletic).
Yup. Thats how young teams react to wins. Our core group Curry, Frye, Lee and Crawford have to mature. They need to come out with the same intensity night in and night out. I think that will come with time.

I think that Curry and Lee are fine, Frye doesn't matter because he's never intense. Its really Marbs, and Q that have to turn it up a notch and take over games when it gets to winning time. Say what you will about Nate, but he's got the intensity that we need for 5 minute stretches in these types of games.
Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/11/2007  2:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:

Are we? What's our average age compared to the rest of the league? I think Isles once started a thread about this. Where's that search function!?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]

I'd be more interested in the average age of the guys who actually play or based on minutes.

The thread you're referring to was counting how many players under 25 that each team had. If I remember correctly, the Knicks fell somewhere around the middle. The Knicks are no younger and certainly no more athletic than most teams. In terms of athleticism, the Knicks are probably one of the slowest and more mechanical teams in the league.
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2/11/2007  3:11 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Are we? What's our average age compared to the rest of the league? I think Isles once started a thread about this. Where's that search function!?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]

I'd be more interested in the average age of the guys who actually play or based on minutes.

The thread you're referring to was counting how many players under 25 that each team had. If I remember correctly, the Knicks fell somewhere around the middle. The Knicks are no younger and certainly no more athletic than most teams. In terms of athleticism, the Knicks are probably one of the slowest and more mechanical teams in the league.


Just going by young/average/old players we've got the following from our major minute eaters
Marbs - older
Q - average
Craw - average
Lee - young
Curry - young
Frye - young
Francis - older

Alan Hahn: Nate Robinson has been on a ridonkulous scoring tear lately (remember when he couldn't hit Jerome James with a Big Mac in early January?)
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2/11/2007  3:14 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Are we? What's our average age compared to the rest of the league? I think Isles once started a thread about this. Where's that search function!?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]

I'd be more interested in the average age of the guys who actually play or based on minutes.

The thread you're referring to was counting how many players under 25 that each team had. If I remember correctly, the Knicks fell somewhere around the middle. The Knicks are no younger and certainly no more athletic than most teams. In terms of athleticism, the Knicks are probably one of the slowest and more mechanical teams in the league.


Just going by young/average/old players we've got the following from our major minute eaters
Marbs - older
Q - average
Craw - average
Lee - young
Curry - young
Frye - young
Francis - older

why can't we get balkman more minutes? the guy could be giving us so much of what we need right now.
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2/11/2007  5:05 PM
Posted by JohnWallace44:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Bonn1997:

Are we? What's our average age compared to the rest of the league? I think Isles once started a thread about this. Where's that search function!?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]

I'd be more interested in the average age of the guys who actually play or based on minutes.

The thread you're referring to was counting how many players under 25 that each team had. If I remember correctly, the Knicks fell somewhere around the middle. The Knicks are no younger and certainly no more athletic than most teams. In terms of athleticism, the Knicks are probably one of the slowest and more mechanical teams in the league.


Just going by young/average/old players we've got the following from our major minute eaters
Marbs - older
Q - average
Craw - average
Lee - young
Curry - young
Frye - young
Francis - older

why is Marbury average and Francis older when marbury was borne the day before Francis?
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2/12/2007  9:40 AM
[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 02-11-2007 11:13 AM]
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I'd be more interested in the average age of the guys who actually play or based on minutes.

The thread you're referring to was counting how many players under 25 that each team had. If I remember correctly, the Knicks fell somewhere around the middle. The Knicks are no younger and certainly no more athletic than most teams. In terms of athleticism, the Knicks are probably one of the slowest and more mechanical teams in the league.
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Just going by young/average/old players we've got the following from our major minute eaters
Marbs - older
Q - average
Craw - average
Lee - young
Curry - young
Frye - young
Francis - older


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why is Marbury average and Francis older when marbury was borne the day before Francis?

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heh? I put them both down for older, but considering the state of Francis' knees, I should have said ancient.
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