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I am very very curious to see what people think of Lee and Frye here...
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Allanfan20
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2/7/2007  3:56 PM
I know a few months back, Bip asked us to give a scouting report of all the players, and lately, their has been a lot of argueing about David Lee and Channing Frye, so I just want people to restate the strengths and weaknesses of these guys, and then I am curious about how we should move foward with them, and how this effects Eddy Curry. Obviously, I'll start.

David Lee- Great rebounder and has a chance to be elite. Very tough interior defender. Has the toughness to ride against anybody, and I can see him being the type of guy to eventually volunteer to guard the opposing teams biggest and toughest fowards/center, down the road. Willing to get dirty and bang and dive on the floor for loose balls. Very good and fundamental passer with some nice leadership skills. Free throw shooting seems to be improving. Could eventually be a captain of a winning team, hopefully the Knicks.

In terms of his weaknesses, he's still not much of a shooter, and he really needs to develop that. Though he tries his absolute hardest, he's still not a very good perimeter defender, and for this reason, I don't even see him becoming a small foward. He's just not quick enough. Not a shotblocker.

Channing Frye - In terms of scoring potential, he really doesn't have a ton of limits. He can post up, has a nice jumphook, run pick and rolls, hit open shots, take a couple of dribbles then hit a shot. Solid passer. Decent interior defender, especially because he is getting stronger. This will only get better because of his work ethic and great attitude.

In terms of his weaknesses, Channing has a tendency to keep himself out of plays to benefit Curry and the other scorers, as opposed to asserting himself. When this happens, he's floating faaaar away from the basket. With the emergence of Curry's scoring, this is happening A LOT MORE. Loses confidence, is hesitant with his jumper when things aren't going his way. Poor perimeter defender and too quiet on the rebounds. Needs to improve shotblocing. No reason for him to not get 1 or 2 a game with his length alone. Same goes for Curry.

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As for my personal opinion, I love both players and wish we can keep both. However, I think it couldn't be more obvious that 1 of Lee, Frye or Curry have to be traded, or else if we're going to keep all of them, at least 1 player will become ineffective as a player. I think if we're building around Curry, which I really don't think we should, then Frye is the first candidate, simply because of his ineffectiveness when Curry is on the court. For whom? I don't know, maybe a shotblocker, maybe a foward who plays smart, can shoot and play defense. Everyone knows that trade proposals aren't my area.

However, I don't think Curry is nearly close to as untradeable as people make him out to be. It's quite dangerous to build around a player who does one single think, and in Curry's case, that's being a dominant scorer in the low post. The reason I think this is because you have to get other players and rely on them a lot more heavily. So if we're not building around Curry, then he, in my eyes, is just as much a trade chip as every other Knick.

In conclusion, I think all 3 of those players will eventually be worthy of 35 minutes a game, and there's just no way we'll be able to keep all 3 w/o somebody being severely underutilized. I don't think this team has the potential to grow into a championship contender, so we're gonna have to make a lot of changes, and those 3 guys could and very well should be considered.
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djsunyc
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2/7/2007  3:58 PM
if you can package both to get KG or jermaine o'neal, you do it.
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2/7/2007  4:06 PM
I don't know if I agree with that because having anyone on your team doesn't guarantee you a championship, and if you're going to give up the farm for KG, then you better have the right players surrounding him. I don't know if we have the right guys.
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djsunyc
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2/7/2007  4:07 PM
marbury, jamal, quentin, kg/jermaine, and curry is enough to contend in the east.
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2/7/2007  4:08 PM
you could probably get through the 2nd round (at least) with that line-up.
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2/7/2007  4:10 PM
Can't argue with that, but what are the chances of the T-Wolves trading KG for a non big name player and what are the chances of Isiah doing business with Larry Bird? Nil and none in my mind.
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2/7/2007  4:11 PM
Besides, we lost our shot at getting KG when we traded our prized trading chip, Howard Eisley.
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2/7/2007  4:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury, jamal, quentin, kg/jermaine, and curry is enough to contend in the east.

I agree.

I am one of Lee's biggest supporters but if a deal of him and Frye gets us KG, I think I have to do that deal. The point is to win a championship and I think if you combine, Marbury/KG/Curry you got a definite championship caliber team.
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2/7/2007  4:19 PM
I think they both suck and we should blow it all up. Start anew. Find a franchise player and rehire Larry Brown. Go Nets!
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2/7/2007  4:20 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Besides, we lost our shot at getting KG when we traded our prized trading chip, Howard Eisley.

LOL, talk about a blast from the past. You tried your best to get that trade rumor started.

[Edited by - bippity10 on 02-07-2007 4:21 PM]
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TMS
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2/7/2007  4:30 PM
David Lee > Channing Frye
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Allanfan20
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2/7/2007  4:34 PM
Trade rumor? I just tried to get Isiah and Layden to do the trade, but the wolves refuses to give us Terrel Brandon, their expiring contract, and then Isiah took over and Isiah wouldn't give up a second round draft pick. I mean, how ridonkulous is that?
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2/7/2007  8:01 PM
There are a million guys in the league like Channing Frye. David Lee is a unique player.
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2/7/2007  8:22 PM
Posted by TMS:

David Lee > Channing Frye

agreed.

I think you trade frye to improve the team's balance at this point. I'd package Nate, if nec.
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2/7/2007  9:09 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

There are a million guys in the league like Channing Frye. David Lee is a unique player.

he sure is. There aren't to many white guys that rebound like he does.

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2/7/2007  9:12 PM
Posted by Swishfm3:
Posted by rojasmas:

There are a million guys in the league like Channing Frye. David Lee is a unique player.

he sure is. There aren't to many white guys that rebound like he does.

there aren't too many people in the world who rebound like he does.



I love the attitude on this board - "yeah, Eddy Curry is an unstoppable post presence, but what else does he bring to the table? yeah, sure, fine david lee is one of the best rebounders in the NBA, one of 7 double double guys in the league (off the bench), but really, he doesn't get out to cover the occassional three point shooter and stuff..."
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2/7/2007  9:15 PM
Posted by rojasmas:

There are a million guys in the league like Channing Frye. David Lee is a unique player.

frye is a 6'11 jumpshooter that has a hook shot. there aren't a million players like him. BUT we're struggling trying to find a spot for him on this team. we really have to explore trading him.
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2/7/2007  9:21 PM

Either that or the coach needs to be more diligent finding ways to use him...No one can be comfortable having just one big man who can score...
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2/7/2007  9:22 PM
Posted by holfresh:


Either that or the coach needs to be more diligent finding ways to use him...No one can be comfortable having just one big man who can score...

I like Frye a great deal, but I don't think he fits here. Curry and Lee compliment each other. Frye either has to be the guy off the bench or be shipped.
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2/7/2007  9:23 PM
I don't want Garnett if Lee has to be included.
I am very very curious to see what people think of Lee and Frye here...

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