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Hollinger: "What the Knicks Need at the Trade Deadline"
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2/6/2007  12:51 PM
Hollinger (who I like to call Johnny Numbers) is usually hit or miss, and this one looks to be one of the former (despite the cheap shots). He basically is echoing what most of us have been saying since the season started.

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By JOHN HOLLINGER
February 6, 2007

The trade deadline is rapidly approaching, so you'll pardon Knicks fans if they're watching the news ticker with trepidation these days. Based on events of the past few years, followers of the Knicks have all but resigned themselves to reading something like " Knicks send F David Lee, G/F Quentin Richardson and 2009 first-round pick to Blazers for F Darius Miles" running across the bottom of their TV screens soon.

However, that scenario may be a little less likely this time around. For one, Isiah Thomas acquired every player on this roster, so making a deal now means trading one of the guys he was so anxious to obtain in the first place. Second, it appears owner James Dolan no longer has an open-checkbook policy with Thomas, restricting him from making the splashy, costly deals that have been Zeke's bread-and-butter in the past.

But suppose for a minute that sanity ruled the day. Suppose Thomas was looking at deals with the Knicks' long-term interests in mind (chortle, chortle), and that instead of the big splash, the Knicks looked at more subtle moves to help address some of their weaker areas. What type of deals would the Knicks look at then?

As you can see by looking up and down the roster, there are plenty of areas for improvement, and fixing them doesn't have to cost a fortune. Here's some areas where the Knicks are most in need of help, and a few deals that might get them what they need:

NEED 1: A true point guard. The Knicks have plenty of players on the roster who list "point guard" on their résumés, but in truth these are guys are only called point guards because they're too short to play the wing. Stephon Marbury, Nate Robinson, and Steve Francis all have shoot-first tendencies, as does occasional point man Jamal Crawford. As a result, the bigmen tend to get short-changed on touches, because whoever is at the controls is more concerned with creating his own offense than shots for his teammates.

This isn't always a bad thing — witness the Wizards offense with Gilbert Arenas at the helm — but the problem here is a lack of variety. The Knicks have three players who do very similar things offensively in Robinson, Crawford, and Francis; Marbury is more of a passer than the other three but hardly the second coming of John Stockton. Exchanging one of them for a player of similar ability but one more inclined to share the ball would help Thomas mix and match lineups by need, instead of subbing three basically redundant players in for one another.

Point guard is a crowded area on the trade market too, so it seems there's room to deal. Players like Atlanta's Tyronn Lue, the Rockets' John Lucas, and Orlando's Travis Diener all have inexpensive contracts and can be had for the right price. That price that would probably involve Robinson or Mardy Collins unless Francis's contract was included as part of a much larger deal.

NEED 2: A shooter who can hit from outside. The Knicks have a dominant post player in Eddy Curry, but to maximize his potential they need more players who can stretch the opposing defense and make opponents pay for doubleteaming. The Knicks are shooting .327 on 3-pointers this year, the fourth-worst mark in the NBA; individually only Quentin Richardson (38.4%) is a reliable weapon from downtown. Marbury and Crawford have had their moments (especially in Crawford's 52-point outburst against Miami), but for the season their numbers are pedestrian — 35.3% for Marbury, 30.3% for Crawford.

The Knicks could potentially knock off two needs with one deal here, as the point guard they get in the deal outlined above could also be an outside shooter. Both Lue and Diener are strong outside shooters, for instance.

NEED 3: A stopper on the wings who isn't completely useless on offense. In other words, not Jared Jeffries. The Knicks' latest free agent flop has proved even less capable than expected offensively. As a result, opponents feel at liberty to abandon him in order to double-team Curry in the post. Additionally, the Knicks are learning that Jeffries's skills are more suitable to zones and trapping than to being the man-to-man stopper New York hoped it was getting.

The Knicks won't be able to dump his contract, but they have some other players that could be expended in order to acquire a stopper. Malik Rose, for instance, would be expendable if the Knicks wanted to take on a slightly longer mid-level type deal — such as that of Minnesota's Trenton Hassell. Memphis's Dahntay Jones could be had less expensively, although this may be a wash since offensively he's not any better than Jeffries. But the best option may be Orlando wing Keith Bogans — the reeling Magic are looking to deal and might be enticed if the Knicks made the right offer.

NEED 4: A defensive-minded power forward. Of all New York's needs, this is clearly the greatest. Isiah Thomas recently inserted Jerome James into the starting lineup because his desperation for a defensive presence to play alongside Eddy Curry was so great. With David Lee slated to come off the bench as the team's unofficial energizer bunny, somebody in the starting group needs to set the tone defensively for the frontcourt. That won't be Curry, and I greatly doubt it will be James.

So the solution is to acquire a power forward who thinks defense first. If he can create space for Curry by hitting 15-footers, so much the better. Unfortunately, this isn't an easy specimen to acquire. Teams put a premium on frontcourt players, and especially ones who can defend.

That's why the Knicks must ponder what was unthinkable a year ago — exchanging Channing Frye for a different type of player. Don't get me wrong — I still think Frye will be an outstanding offensive player in the NBA. So do a number of scouts and execs that I've talked to. But the reality for the Knicks is that he simply can't play alongside Curry — one of New York's frontcourt players has to be able to defend good post players, and neither of these two can do it.

Moreover, a package of Frye and Rose could potentially pull in somebody truly good. Not just a stopgap, à la Lue and Diener, but a long-term rotation guy who can improve the Knicks' greatest weakness, defense.

I'm sure Isiah would be reluctant to deal a guy who was his lottery pick a year earlier, and in fact, I would be reluctant, too. But this is an area where the Knicks should listen hard to any offers, because if the right deal came along, it could make the team considerably better for the stretch run.
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2/6/2007  12:53 PM
I've been saying all 4 of those things since the middle of last year.
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2/6/2007  1:02 PM
you know, hollinger is just ridiculous. first he says we need a true point guard and for us to get lue. am i wrong to say that atlanta is not happy with their point guard situation? so if atlanta doesn't want him and they have a need for that position, why should we get him? second, anyone who knows anything about sports can see we need a defensive power forward. the question is who is available and what it would take. he already said what it would take but the guru hollinger claims to be can't name one that is available. thats because either there are none available or he doesm't know which either way makes him look like an idiot.
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2/6/2007  1:06 PM
OK, so we package frye and rose, but for who? he gave no options..LOL..
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2/6/2007  1:08 PM
Dude Hollinger stole that article directly from my posts. He even quoted me a couple times.
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2/6/2007  1:16 PM
Lol. That guy just said what everyteam in the league needs. Apparantly we have our center though.
What?! we need a point guard?! get outta here.
What?! a shooter? no!
Ohhh, a defensive three who can score...of course!
And a shot-blocker. how could we have missed that?

Man, thank god this guy gets paid to tell us stuff like this.
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2/6/2007  1:23 PM
Posted by efw:

Lol. That guy just said what everyteam in the league needs. Apparantly we have our center though.
What?! we need a point guard?! get outta here.
What?! a shooter? no!
Ohhh, a defensive three who can score...of course!
And a shot-blocker. how could we have missed that?

Man, thank god this guy gets paid to tell us stuff like this.


I don't like all the players he mentioned but I do beleive he was a little more specific about our needs than you give him credit for.
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2/6/2007  1:55 PM
I don't.

c'mon man, you could write a piece exactly like this for almost every team in the league. Criticize the players and then suggest players who could be criticized for similar things?

He says we want a true point guard - and then suggests Lue, Diener or Lucas. I'm sorry but I'd rather have Steph than any of them.

A shooting guard to replace ours because Q and Crawford are shooting below average from 3 point range (35% from NBA.com). The best 3 point shooting team in the NBA are the suns at 39%. So could we shoot a little better, of course, but not if it means getting Diener (37%) or Lue (35%). For that small incremental increase, who and what other statistics would we have to give up?

To take yet another chance on a SF in Bogans when we should just develop Balkman. And anyway, Jeffries is playing below his career averages so the law of averages says he'll play better eventually. And he has playoff experience.

And a defensive minded PF is obvious to anyone who watches the games. I agree with him on this until he said we could get someone good for Frye and Rose - and then suggests no one.

It's easy to throw out statistics and mediocre players that may help in one category but detract in several others. None of the options he suggest would help our team. How much have they helped the team they're on? The article had no substance to it.

But I guess it wasn't written for someone like me who expects a little bit more meat.
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2/6/2007  2:10 PM
Posted by efw:

I don't.

c'mon man, you could write a piece exactly like this for almost every team in the league. Criticize the players and then suggest players who could be criticized for similar things?

He says we want a true point guard - and then suggests Lue, Diener or Lucas. I'm sorry but I'd rather have Steph than any of them.

A shooting guard to replace ours because Q and Crawford are shooting below average from 3 point range (35% from NBA.com). The best 3 point shooting team in the NBA are the suns at 39%. So could we shoot a little better, of course, but not if it means getting Diener (37%) or Lue (35%). For that small incremental increase, who and what other statistics would we have to give up?

To take yet another chance on a SF in Bogans when we should just develop Balkman. And anyway, Jeffries is playing below his career averages so the law of averages says he'll play better eventually. And he has playoff experience.

And a defensive minded PF is obvious to anyone who watches the games. I agree with him on this until he said we could get someone good for Frye and Rose - and then suggests no one.

It's easy to throw out statistics and mediocre players that may help in one category but detract in several others. None of the options he suggest would help our team. How much have they helped the team they're on? The article had no substance to it.

But I guess it wasn't written for someone like me who expects a little bit more meat.

EFW when you are building a team you can't just look at talent, and you can't take every critique as criticism. I like Steph and think he is a good player. But there may be a better fit. That's what championship teams do. They don't go out and find the best player, they find the best fit. I think we do ultimately need a pass oriented PG to pair with EC. He is a big man and needs someone to get him the ball to be successful. A shoot first PG can help us win but probably will not take us to a championship level. So you don't go for the Deiners of the world in my view, but you do have to think about a pass first PG that will be coming into his own in 3 or 4 years. Someoen that can grow with Curry. You can say this without it being a criticism of Steph or Jamal, know?

Those guys may be a beetter fit for another team. Championships are about being balanced so that you can adjust your line-ups without creating major holes. At this point we are struggling to do that.
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2/6/2007  2:15 PM
I agree with you Bip (for the most part. I don't think San Antonio has a pass first point guard).

My point was that the article is stating the obvious needs for a basketball team. And then suggesting mediocre journeymen. Sound like the Scott Layden school of team construction.
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2/6/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by efw:

I agree with you Bip (for the most part. I don't think San Antonio has a pass first point guard).

My point was that the article is stating the obvious needs for a basketball team. And then suggesting mediocre journeymen. Sound like the Scott Layden school of team construction.

Again EFW don't get me wrong. I don't follwo the notion that you need a pass first PG to win a title. You can have a pass first PG or a PG that can score. But it has to make sense with your team.

San Antonio is a different situation than we are. SA can have a pass first or shoot first PG because TD is a versatile player. If someone else is scoring he can do all the other things like rebound, defend and pass. He doesn't need the ball to be successful. Ginobli and Parker can go nuts and do their thing, but when they need a basket, then they focus on TD.

With us it's a little different. Eddies' contribution is going to be mainly on the offensive end. To have a major impact he needs the ball. Without it, he is at the current time, a role player with little effect on the team. So if we are building around him we must go about finding ways to get him the ball. Each team and how they need to be constructed is different. We have 4 guards that demand the ball. I don't think it will have any effect on our record to get rid of any of them and replace them with a defensive minded pass first guy. I don't like the players Hollinger through out there but that doesn't erase the concept.
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2/6/2007  2:29 PM
This is a good article in the sense that it accurately highlights our needs. People don't like it, because many of the solutions mentioned were role players. Well, teams will trade role players. They won't trade stars unless they're getting stars. Simply put, shifting the balance of talent around to complimentary pieces will help the team. Pulling off a blockbuster trade is hard, so that's not going to be the first option.
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2/6/2007  2:42 PM
Frankly people on this board can label people haters all they want, but it was very clear we didn't have a pg during the draft and should have taken marcus williams or lowry.

Anyone that looks at crawford and is excited, really needs to evaluate if they enjoy a losing season every year. We have two players in the starting lineup that give up more or the same than they produce and they are both from chicago and both deals were awful....

I love how washington can get a player like stevenson for 1 million by offering him a starting spot and we have to over pay and include a trade kicker from someone that never played well in his career and is already useless in jefferies......

Isiah put together a terribly constructed team. If he was so concerned with defense instead of smoke and mirrors he would have drafted Granger or Bynum and then grabbed Luther Head instead of little Nate.....

Last year he had a great chance to add what we needed, a defensive minded rebounder for cheap in Reggie Evans or make a move to get Ruben Patterson but he pulled up another slew of horrible moves....

Call me a hater all you want, but right now we have what to be happy about, Curry's offense, Lees Rebounding and perhaps Balkmans rebounding potential. Other than that where are we? The middle of no where in salary cap hell and needing to surrounder assets in order to get rid of panic deals this ******* has made
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2/6/2007  2:52 PM
Tyronn Lue,John Lucas, and Travis Diener?
He combed the league and found these "pass first point guards"?

I like the fact he says the knicks need a shooter and says they could get that from their point guard, you know, the pass first point guard with the shoot first mentality. What a idiot.

The he gives no option for defensive minded power forward. Thanks.

Knicks need to holla at Seattle and get Jesus and Watson. The knicks could try to get Collison too if they can. Jesus, Collison, and watson would fill some holes nicely. Frye, Nate, Craw, Rose? I didn't look it up but something like that should work.

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2/6/2007  3:04 PM
MS you were making some good points, but then you had to spoil it and say that isiah has put together a terribly constructed team. Now To be truthful there aren't that many WELL constructed teams in the NBA right now. Not like the old Lakers or Celtics teams. The NBA rules make it very hard to make deals and the league is so big that you're going to have issues somewhere on your team.

Superstars make almost any team look better, so you tend to overlook the fact that the teams really aren't that good except that they have this superstar who covers up all the weaknesses. In our case we don't have a superstar so the only other option is to keep working on the roster either by adding a role player or developing players from within. I prefer the later. We have players already who make be capable of giving us what we need. Lue and Diener are nice, but Collins may be better but hasn't had a chance to show it yet. I believe Collins is already a better defender than either of those two. He seems to be albe to bring the ball up and make the initial pass we need. It's up to Isiah to decide whether to give up one of our young talents to get another role player or stand pat.

In terms of PF. I think we have a decent complement of players right now. What makes it seem so bad is that there are some really skilled PF's out there that tend to score alot against us, but no one mentions that these guys score alot against every team. I'm not trading Frye just to bring in a defender at this point. We still have a chance to develop Lee some more. He's made excellent progress. But again no one wants to be patient with this team and allow our 2nd yr and rookie draft picks to develop and show what they can do. It often takes 3 years to get an idea of what you have in a draft pick. So why give them up so early. Brand and Artest are big examples of that.
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2/6/2007  3:07 PM
I thought it was a pretty good article, no complaints here.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/6/2007  3:09 PM
Also, obviously teams in the top 5 in blockshot differential dont need shotblocking.

Teams with pure PG's don't need 1.

And teams in the top 5 in 3pt% dont need that either.


He's got a point.


What I'm curious to know is --- what does Frye and Malik fetch for us?

He never divulged.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/6/2007  3:12 PM
Of course there are a lot of terribly constructed teams which has a lot to do with the long term deals the NBA should not allow anything over five years and the sums of money are just out of control....

But frankly everyone knew Francis, James and Jefferies were diasters so i am wondering why isiah did not? I would not have that much of a problem with what he has done had it not been for those three deals. He just keeps making moves for redundant parts.

My question is this if Bruce Bowen is making 3 million and can at least hit an open jumper and has been named to NBA all defensive teams, why does JJ warrant a 5 million dollar signing long term.
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2/6/2007  3:27 PM
We need a nice backup PG (one that can hit a 3, defend a little).

A guy like Hassell or Posey (both available).

And last but not least, an enforcer (and frankly I can't think of 1)
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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2/6/2007  4:21 PM
We can get Posey if we give up Crawford.

Does that move help Wade stay in Miami long term? Or is it worth getting rid of crawford if we can obtain a draft pick in the deal. We rid ourselves of his long term salary and clear 9 million the year Lebron and Wade are both up, not to mention Chris Bosh. Does Dwight Howard love Orlando? I think if we are going to stick with Eddy, we need to rent players, playing hard for their contract while developing Lee, Balkman, Collins, and Curry.....

That opens up big moves in the future
Hollinger: "What the Knicks Need at the Trade Deadline"

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