Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah will not make ANY move that limits his chances of coming back for another year. The sad part about the whole Isiah situation is that some people still stick by him and believe that he is trying to do this franchise good, when infact he's doing everything he can do to prove to Dolan that this season is a "successful" season THIS year, so he can keep his job. Isiah has no interest in making the Knicks a contender for years to come, he has a interest in keeping his job.

Posted by arkrud:

I is very natural for executives to have the main personal goal in keeping his job. Isn't it?
The problem is what is the criteria of validating the executive job results and making decisions of keeping him at the job.
The UK mafia wants to have Knicks to be competitive and play at high level. Compete for playoff and ultimately for the championsheep.
Dolan as an owner wants to get more money and provide more entertainments and attension to MSG. I think Isiah is on the top of the task. We have talanted exiting players who are cappable to provide highlights and controversy. The seats are selling OK and media attension is good.
If UM mafia will owe the Knicks it will be different story.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah will not make ANY move that limits his chances of coming back for another year. The sad part about the whole Isiah situation is that some people still stick by him and believe that he is trying to do this franchise good, when infact he's doing everything he can do to prove to Dolan that this season is a "successful" season THIS year, so he can keep his job. Isiah has no interest in making the Knicks a contender for years to come, he has a interest in keeping his job.

NYK4ever unfortunately I think this is exactly what Layden did as well. I don't think either are idiots. I think the reason why we never have a plan is because half our moves are a genuine attempt to do what's right, and half the moves are done to preserve a job and fill the seats long enough so that you can continue to attempt to do things right.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah will not make ANY move that limits his chances of coming back for another year. The sad part about the whole Isiah situation is that some people still stick by him and believe that he is trying to do this franchise good, when infact he's doing everything he can do to prove to Dolan that this season is a "successful" season THIS year, so he can keep his job. Isiah has no interest in making the Knicks a contender for years to come, he has a interest in keeping his job.

NYK4ever unfortunately I think this is exactly what Layden did as well. I don't think either are idiots. I think the reason why we never have a plan is because half our moves are a genuine attempt to do what's right, and half the moves are done to preserve a job and fill the seats long enough so that you can continue to attempt to do things right.

I agree 100%. That's precisely why I think Dolan is the problem and replacing Isiah with a new GM is like switching seats on the Titanic.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by nyk4ever:

Isiah will not make ANY move that limits his chances of coming back for another year. The sad part about the whole Isiah situation is that some people still stick by him and believe that he is trying to do this franchise good, when infact he's doing everything he can do to prove to Dolan that this season is a "successful" season THIS year, so he can keep his job. Isiah has no interest in making the Knicks a contender for years to come, he has a interest in keeping his job.

NYK4ever unfortunately I think this is exactly what Layden did as well. I don't think either are idiots. I think the reason why we never have a plan is because half our moves are a genuine attempt to do what's right, and half the moves are done to preserve a job and fill the seats long enough so that you can continue to attempt to do things right.

I agree 100%. That's precisely why I think Dolan is the problem and replacing Isiah with a new GM is like switching seats on the Titanic.

Thats where I disagree. While I agree that Dolan's meddling makes it a hard job, I believe that a good GM will succeed no matter what surrounds him. Do you think Dolan mandated Isiah to get Crawford, Jerome James, give up the farm for Curry? Isiah's moves are questionable, as were Laydens, if the Knicks had a top GM then he will make the right personnel decisions. Mr. West or Jerry Colangelo will make the right moves.

I think Dolan's mandates put GMs in desperate positions where they'll either (a) try low-probability potentially high reward trades or (b) get a bunch of role players that can get you to the first round and settle for that mediocrity. I think any GM that tries to do a real rebuild and gets rid of the big name players who sell jerseys and seats will be fired after year 1 before he gets a chance to even rebuild. And I'm sure Isiah could have gone down root (b) and not taken the high gamble decisions, and we'd have a steady 41 win team with no room for improvement. But I think he has a genuine desire to win a championship and that's why he takes gambles.

[Edited by - bonn1997 on 02-03-2007 12:51 PM]