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newyorknewyork
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1/28/2007  9:29 PM
Because this would be my 2nd trade proposal.

But I just want to know what people thought of this trade that just popped in my head. Its not that I hate Curry or am looking to trade him away because I don't like him. Just these last 2 trades(Garnett was the first) just popped in my head. And I want to see other peoples views on it.

Knicks trade Eddie Curry.
Lakers trade Kwame Brown & Andrew Bynum
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1/28/2007  10:01 PM
not a bad trade honostly. this team will never even be a solid defensive team with Curry on it.
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1/28/2007  10:03 PM
I'd do the trade for certain but why would the Lakers?

Curry is the best player in the deal(right now) but when you look at what Bynum is doing in only his 2nd year in the NBA, you would wonder why the Lakers would entertain ANY thoughts of trading him.

Bynums last 5 games
11pts/11rebs/2.6blks/2.2assists/55fg%

And he won't turn 20 until October of this year.

[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-28-2007 10:07 PM]
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1/28/2007  10:05 PM
Lakers aren't trading Bynum unless it's for a two-way star IMO.
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1/28/2007  10:07 PM
lmao
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1/28/2007  10:43 PM
We couldve had bynum for nothing--but IT picked an inferior talent.
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1/28/2007  10:46 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:

lmao

silver, are you not the least bit concerned about eddy's defense at all? i mean he's really not playing ANY defense, he's not rebounding and he's not intimidating. it's one thing to concentrate on offense...but to completely not show up on the other end...do you think isiah is telling him not to play defense or is he just very very bad? and do you think he's going to all of the sudden get better on that end of the floor? it's very rare for big men to go from the worst big man to a good one.
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1/28/2007  11:00 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

We couldve had bynum for nothing--but IT picked an inferior talent.

If only Isiah had listened in the months leading up the draft.
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1/29/2007  1:06 AM
There's no shot in hell Isiah will even trade Curry, while he's in the Knicks office.
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1/29/2007  1:27 AM
Posted by Allanfan20:

There's no shot in hell Isiah will even trade Curry, while he's in the Knicks office.

If he gets re-hired with 33 wins that would be absolutely putrid and I'd write a death threat to Dolan no joke.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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1/29/2007  2:22 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by Allanfan20:

There's no shot in hell Isiah will even trade Curry, while he's in the Knicks office.

If he gets re-hired with 33 wins that would be absolutely putrid and I'd write a death threat to Dolan no joke.


Start composing the death note, because Dolan will justify bringing back Isiah with only 33 wins by saying the team improved 10 games under Isiah from last season under LB!!
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1/29/2007  6:51 AM
I think the Lakers would do the Curry trade. CUrry is a monster on offense and Phil will ride him on the defensive end. Bynum is solid but I don't think Bynum is a lock to match Curry's offensive talents. I think Curry can get even better on offense if he continues to work on his game and he can turn into a decent defensive player with more training and focus. IT will never make that offer, but I think the Lakers would jump at it.
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1/29/2007  7:46 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

silver, are you not the least bit concerned about eddy's defense at all? i mean he's really not playing ANY defense, he's not rebounding and he's not intimidating. it's one thing to concentrate on offense...but to completely not show up on the other end...do you think isiah is telling him not to play defense or is he just very very bad? and do you think he's going to all of the sudden get better on that end of the floor? it's very rare for big men to go from the worst big man to a good one.
I think his defense will come. Early in the season, 1st week, Eddy looked completely lost. He had no clue what he was doing out there. He was picking up stupid fouls and playing less than or close to 20 minutes every game. There were threads saying Eddy Curry is the same player he was last year and will never become anything of use. Fast forward to January, we are saying his offense has always been phenomenal but he lacks defense. I seen improvement from November to January. Thats 3 months. He has proved to be dominant on offense. He is even hitting most of his FT's. I think all this buys him another year to show us how much he can improve on defense. I think we decide to keep him or trade him after next season.

And I don't think he will ever become Patrick Ewing on defense but I think he will show is significant improvement. He is an offensive beast right now and I think it will serve the Knicks to find players that can compliment him on offense and on defense. How do you know Bynum will become great? And Kwame?
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1/29/2007  8:54 AM
i have no idea if bynum would be great...but he already has a phsyical base and reboudning/block shot capability to work with. if isiah and aguirre can work "wonders" with eddy, why can't they do the same with bynum...who's already a better defender by far?

but forget about bynum and let's get back to eddy. i have seen big time improvement in his offense where he wants the ball and he feels like he is the franchise on that end of the court. those are good things. but i have seen zero improvement defensively. and isiah knows this. he has yet to say one bad thing about this team's defense all year long b/c he has no answers for it. but i guess we'll see next season whether that part of his game improves...
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1/29/2007  9:13 AM
Would would the Lakers do it in in all honesty I would do that deal if you include Crawford, Bynum has already progressed further in a year than eddy did in his first three. The kid plays defense, rebounds, and blks shots and can past the ball.....

Curry for all his offensive talent is a black hole that really kills the team, he rarely even tries to block a shot
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1/29/2007  9:26 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by djsunyc:

silver, are you not the least bit concerned about eddy's defense at all? i mean he's really not playing ANY defense, he's not rebounding and he's not intimidating. it's one thing to concentrate on offense...but to completely not show up on the other end...do you think isiah is telling him not to play defense or is he just very very bad? and do you think he's going to all of the sudden get better on that end of the floor? it's very rare for big men to go from the worst big man to a good one.
I think his defense will come. Early in the season, 1st week, Eddy looked completely lost. He had no clue what he was doing out there. He was picking up stupid fouls and playing less than or close to 20 minutes every game. There were threads saying Eddy Curry is the same player he was last year and will never become anything of use. Fast forward to January, we are saying his offense has always been phenomenal but he lacks defense. I seen improvement from November to January. Thats 3 months. He has proved to be dominant on offense. He is even hitting most of his FT's. I think all this buys him another year to show us how much he can improve on defense. I think we decide to keep him or trade him after next season.

And I don't think he will ever become Patrick Ewing on defense but I think he will show is significant improvement. He is an offensive beast right now and I think it will serve the Knicks to find players that can compliment him on offense and on defense. How do you know Bynum will become great? And Kwame?

Curry is better than Bynum right now--ONLY because he can dominate in the offensive post so effectively. But EVERY other aspect of the game Bynum is ALREADY better--rebounding, shot-blocking, passing, post-defense. I watch Bynum all the time--wait until this kid gets really strong--most of the shots he misses is because of strength and conditioning--he is 19 years old--but the misses are point blank. If you haven't watched bynum play he is ALREADY a very good NBA center--he's not a project that might turn out semi-good--he's good now. It will be funny watching Bynum/curry Monday--Curry could put him in FTbut notice how Eddy has had trouble with guys who are bigger/longer than him. He'll be able to push Bynum around a bit--but I think he'll also be in for a shock again. you know he's watching the video of the abuse he took @ the garden last year--you know he's going to be ready to go.
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1/29/2007  9:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

i have no idea if bynum would be great...but he already has a phsyical base and reboudning/block shot capability to work with.
Just cause he has the length and the size doesn't mean he will be a good rebounder and shot blocker. Look at Eddy, he has the size and the quickness too! Bynum hasn't proved his offense or defense yet. Instead of gambling on Bynum right now, I say we wait another year to see if Eddy can be a decent rebounder and intimidator.
but i have seen zero improvement defensively.
Is it possible that the coaching staff want Eddy to concentrate on offense only? Is it possible that they have specifically instructed him to not try hard and avoid picking up dumb fouls on defense? Thats what I am thinking.
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1/29/2007  9:29 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Because this would be my 2nd trade proposal.

But I just want to know what people thought of this trade that just popped in my head. Its not that I hate Curry or am looking to trade him away because I don't like him. Just these last 2 trades(Garnett was the first) just popped in my head. And I want to see other peoples views on it.

Knicks trade Eddie Curry.
Lakers trade Kwame Brown & Andrew Bynum

This is an excellent idea and an awesome trade for the Knicks. It sets up a basis for a trade. You offer this trade, setting your 'perceived' value of Curry at Bynum + Brown. The Lakers will come back and say that's too much, and maybe counteroffer with Bynum and fluff, which is the trade you really want. Accept Bynum + fluff for Curry and we're back on track. I know the Curry lovers will balk, but this is the best move the franchise could make. I don't think Eddy's defense will ever get better. I think his career best will be a 1:1 ratio of blks + stls + asts to turnovers, which is poor for a bad man of his ability. Bynum can do way more and if we could add another low post player at PF to compliment Lee (and trade Frye at some point), we'd be in great shape.
Wishing everyone well. I enjoyed posting here for a while, but as I matured I realized this forum isn't for me. We all evolve. Thanks for the memories everyone.
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1/29/2007  9:30 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Curry is better than Bynum right now--ONLY because he can dominate in the offensive post so effectively. But EVERY other aspect of the game Bynum is ALREADY better--rebounding, shot-blocking, passing, post-defense. I watch Bynum all the time--wait until this kid gets really strong--most of the shots he misses is because of strength and conditioning--he is 19 years old--but the misses are point blank. If you haven't watched bynum play he is ALREADY a very good NBA center--he's not a project that might turn out semi-good--he's good now. It will be funny watching Bynum/curry Monday--Curry could put him in FTbut notice how Eddy has had trouble with guys who are bigger/longer than him. He'll be able to push Bynum around a bit--but I think he'll also be in for a shock again. you know he's watching the video of the abuse he took @ the garden last year--you know he's going to be ready to go.
Yes. I really want to see how Eddy does against Bynum. They play each twice before the All star break. Should make for a few good games. Briggs, do you think Bynum's rebound numbers would be lower if he played next to Lee?
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1/29/2007  9:32 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:

Just cause he has the length and the size doesn't mean he will be a good rebounder and shot blocker. Look at Eddy, he has the size and the quickness too! Bynum hasn't proved his offense or defense yet. Instead of gambling on Bynum right now, I say we wait another year to see if Eddy can be a decent rebounder and intimidator.

bynum already is a good rebounder and shot blocker. and we gambled on a historically out of shape guy that had a heart problem.
Is it possible that the coaching staff want Eddy to concentrate on offense only? Is it possible that they have specifically instructed him to not try hard and avoid picking up dumb fouls on defense? Thats what I am thinking.

what about personal pride? does the guy not want to get in the lane and try to defend? skiles, if anything, preaches and teaches defense. so although curry may have never been "developed" offensively in chicago, he did get drilled defensively. i'm not going to give him an out in terms of defense. show some growth man. he's jumping BACK in the lane. when a guard penetrates, he not only watches but he steps away. and that's not good no matter how much a coaching staff tells him to concentrate only on offense.
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