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crawford's starter #'s breakout
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djsunyc
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1/28/2007  1:28 PM

g min ppg ast reb fg% 3fg% ft%
starter 23 42 21.7 5.4 3.7 41.6 34.9 87.1
bench 22 31 13.3 3.7 2.7 37.1 24.7 78.0


shooting performances as a starter:

min pts fgm fga 3fgm 3fga fg% 3fg% W/L
november 44 35 14 27 4 7 52 57 W
45 18 7 20 0 4 35 0 L
43 18 7 17 1 4 41 25 L
40 19 6 15 1 6 40 17 L
december 42 25 10 18 3 8 56 38 W
42 13 5 17 2 4 29 50 L
34 9 3 10 1 6 30 17 W
35 29 9 19 3 5 47 60 L
29 2 1 9 0 5 11 0 L
44 18 6 26 2 12 23 17 W
54 25 9 23 4 9 39 44 W
46 30 8 16 4 8 50 50 W
40 21 9 23 1 6 39 17 L
53 29 8 15 2 5 53 40 W
39 21 9 20 2 7 45 29 L
31 6 2 8 0 3 25 0 L
january 46 28 11 23 4 8 48 50 L
43 25 9 21 0 4 43 0 W
48 22 8 26 5 11 31 46 W
42 12 4 12 1 6 33 17 W
43 13 4 13 2 4 31 50 L
48 29 10 22 3 10 45 30 L
40 50 20 30 8 10 67 80 W


out of the 23 games started:

shot under 40% fg = 11
shot over 45% fg = 7
shot under 30% from three = 12
shot over 35% from three = 11

knicks record with jamal starting: 11-12


ppg fgm fga 3fgm 3fga fg% 3fg%
LOSSES 18.1 80 206 19 66 39 29
WINS 25.4 99 224 34 86 44 40


[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-28-2007 1:51 PM]
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1/28/2007  1:41 PM
Damn you! I was just putting together something simular! You definately read my mind! Well, here's another perspective on it.

The Knicks are 11-9 when Craw scores 20 or more a game. And even more significantly, the Knicks are 12-18 when he scores under. This explains why Craw, before the 52 point outburst was averaging just over 16 a game.

The guy is so up and down with his shooting, it's no wonder we don't know what the Knicks are going to do next. Apparently, a lot of it depends on whether Craw is going to have a good night or not.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-28-2007 1:42 PM]
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1/28/2007  1:43 PM
With Crawford in the starting line-up who is going to score off the bench? He is not going to score 52 every night, Nate is in a funk, and David Lee can only get so many putbacks.
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1/28/2007  1:47 PM
He's gotten significant minutes in all of these games also. He had one periond were in three games straight, he scored 5, 4 and 7 and he had good minutes in those games. He's very inconsistent and maybe the starting and coming off the bench has a lot to do with that. Maybe he should be a starter full-time, just like Lee should be a starter full-time. We need consistency on this team, to win consistently. The stats don't lie. Good point djsunyc.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-28-2007 1:55 PM]
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1/28/2007  1:48 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:

With Crawford in the starting line-up who is going to score off the bench? He is not going to score 52 every night, Nate is in a funk, and David Lee can only get so many putbacks.

When you bench Shaq for a breather, who's going to do what he used to do for his team, until he comes back in? The point is, we need good solid consistent starters and someone who can back them up, at least half way decent.
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1/28/2007  1:51 PM
IT needs to run him off of screens like we did against Miami. He seemed to get really comfortable doing that. As some others have said, he needs to move away from the Jordan/Wade type of offensive game and move more to a Reggie Miller/Rip Hamilton type of offensive game. If his field goal percentage can get up to around 45%, he will become an awesome weapon for this team.
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1/28/2007  1:58 PM
If Craw if going to be coming off the bench, then we can't rely on his scoring to win games for us, not unless Zeke makes him a full-timer. It seems very simple. I'm really starting to question our coaching tactics here.
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1/28/2007  2:07 PM
the knicks go as crawford goes. you get steady production (for the most part) from the other big minute guys from the team: steph, curry, and lee. it's crawford that is the X-factor in games.

he's a deciding factor with his shooting as exhibited by his 39/30 split shooting in losses. but when he's feeling it and hitting 44/40, the knicks usually win.

that's why many, including myself, feel we're better off long term if he's a 6th man. when a guy is this off/on and his production basically decides the game for you, it's probably best with him as a 6th man off the bench and a much more reliable starter that will give you consistent #'s each night. you can ride crawford when he's feeling it, but when he's not, he needs to get the quick hook. but at this point in time, we have no other alternative (especially with francis out) so crawford should start, no questions asked.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-28-2007 2:24 PM]
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1/28/2007  2:33 PM
The reason that the team has a somewhat better record with Craw starting is that he didn't start very much when Marbury and Frye were in early season funks and when Curry's game hadn't yet taken off.
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1/28/2007  4:56 PM
So this means Isiah will bench Jamal
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1/28/2007  9:27 PM
knicks loss vs. the bucks


pts fgm fga 3fgm 3fga fg% 3fg%
26 9 24 3 10 33 30
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1/28/2007  10:08 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

knicks loss vs. the bucks


pts fgm fga 3fgm 3fga fg% 3fg%
26 9 24 3 10 33 30

Yo DJBush...you do "fuzzy math"... but he shot 37.5%...but you got the 3-pt% right.

11-13 with JC as a starter...after today

21.9 ppg
41.4% FG
35% 3FG
5.3 apg
3.5 rpg
1.2 spg

This month, before Jamal was benched in favor of Q/Jeffries etc...we were 3-2.

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1/28/2007  10:21 PM
Posted by 4949:

Damn you! I was just putting together something simular! You definately read my mind! Well, here's another perspective on it.

The Knicks are 11-9 when Craw scores 20 or more a game. And even more significantly, the Knicks are 12-18 when he scores under. This explains why Craw, before the 52 point outburst was averaging just over 16 a game.

The guy is so up and down with his shooting, it's no wonder we don't know what the Knicks are going to do next. Apparently, a lot of it depends on whether Craw is going to have a good night or not.

[Edited by - 4949 on 01-28-2007 1:42 PM]

This supported our theory the other day that Curry scoring 20+pts is no more significant than when Jamal or probably when Steph scores 20+pts. I don't like Crawford's overall FG%. It needs to be 45% or better to a serious consideration of his impact to the team. That's what does separate Curry at the moment because his FG% is so much higher, the drawback is he shoots horrible from the stripe and he doesn't pass the ball effectively enough to make the whole team better. At the end of the day it gets back to Zeke putting together a very F'D up roster.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-28-2007 9:23 PM]
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1/29/2007  12:42 PM
We keep Lee on the bench because he does a good job in that role and when "a guy is doing well in a role you keep them there". Yet Crawford clearly plays better as a starter but we move him back and forth from the bench to the starting rotation. I really don't know what to beleive any more
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1/29/2007  1:01 PM
Posted by Bippity10:

We keep Lee on the bench because he does a good job in that role and when "a guy is doing well in a role you keep them there". Yet Crawford clearly plays better as a starter but we move him back and forth from the bench to the starting rotation. I really don't know what to beleive any more

believe that JJ and Fran were just signed and traded for and Isiah needs to justify. Seriously, Isiah is lucky James is hurt'ish.
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