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djsunyc
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1/25/2007  9:07 PM
marbury acquired via expiring deals and picks.
crawford acquired via expiring deals.
curry acquired via expiring deals and picks.
francis acquired via expiring deals.
balkman a result of an expiring deal.
lee + mardy + malik acquired via an almost expiring deal.

we have no expiring deals this year or next.

we don't have too many picks left over the next 3 years.

how else is isiah going to improve this team and increase the talent level from this point on?
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1/25/2007  9:19 PM
how else is isiah going to improve this team and increase the talent level from this point on?
Trade Lee?
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1/25/2007  9:55 PM
elven magic?
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1/25/2007  10:07 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury acquired via expiring deals and picks.
crawford acquired via expiring deals.
curry acquired via expiring deals and picks.
francis acquired via expiring deals.
balkman a result of an expiring deal.
lee + mardy + malik acquired via an almost expiring deal.

we have no expiring deals this year or next.

we don't have too many picks left over the next 3 years.

how else is isiah going to improve this team and increase the talent level from this point on?

so there's no point in firing him then?
djsunyc
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1/25/2007  10:09 PM
Posted by Masterplan:
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury acquired via expiring deals and picks.
crawford acquired via expiring deals.
curry acquired via expiring deals and picks.
francis acquired via expiring deals.
balkman a result of an expiring deal.
lee + mardy + malik acquired via an almost expiring deal.

we have no expiring deals this year or next.

we don't have too many picks left over the next 3 years.

how else is isiah going to improve this team and increase the talent level from this point on?

so there's no point in firing him then?

that's isiah's methods. a new guy may trade frye, lee, curry, marbury or one of them. but as long as isiah's here, then they're here.
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1/25/2007  10:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

marbury acquired via expiring deals and picks.
crawford acquired via expiring deals.
curry acquired via expiring deals and picks.
francis acquired via expiring deals.
balkman a result of an expiring deal.
lee + mardy + malik acquired via an almost expiring deal.

we have no expiring deals this year or next.

we don't have too many picks left over the next 3 years.

how else is isiah going to improve this team and increase the talent level from this point on?

How bout a lil patented Isiah MLE magic!

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1/25/2007  11:44 PM
There's almost always a deal to be made. It's just whether or not you want to trade the guys that the other team wants. I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway. At this point just continuing to develop the players we have and adding a couple of role players is all that's necessary. That could be done by Draft or FA. It doesn't have to be a trade of an expiring deal. We don't need more star types. Heck a solid PG and maybe a more agile shot blocker is all I'd look for at this point.

I think there's a tendency to rush to judgement with the players on this team. Several of them are still developing as players. Only a few of the top talent coming out of the draft comes in and performs at a high level right off the bat. Many guys need time to learn the game and how to be consistent on this level. Often when I read posts around the web I get the sense that people almost think we've topped out on the talent we already have. We still have some players who can reach another level, but we have to be a bit more patient. Heck i've been patient with this team since the last Title :) I think I can wait a while longer to see how this latest batch of young Knicks turns out.
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Posted by nixluva:

There's almost always a deal to be made. It's just whether or not you want to trade the guys that the other team wants. I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway. At this point just continuing to develop the players we have and adding a couple of role players is all that's necessary. That could be done by Draft or FA. It doesn't have to be a trade of an expiring deal. We don't need more star types. Heck a solid PG and maybe a more agile shot blocker is all I'd look for at this point.

I think there's a tendency to rush to judgement with the players on this team. Several of them are still developing as players. Only a few of the top talent coming out of the draft comes in and performs at a high level right off the bat. Many guys need time to learn the game and how to be consistent on this level. Often when I read posts around the web I get the sense that people almost think we've topped out on the talent we already have. We still have some players who can reach another level, but we have to be a bit more patient. Heck i've been patient with this team since the last Title :) I think I can wait a while longer to see how this latest batch of young Knicks turns out.

WOW -
I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway
Who are thay?
Are you talking about Knicks team playing in MSG or some team from you dreams?
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1/26/2007  12:32 AM
Frye, Jefferies, Nate are all tradeable if the right deal comes along.

I'd keep QRich, Jamal (as a PG) and Lee, but don't act like those guys couldn't be moved.

you neglect to mention that he's done a good job building through the draft and we have the Bulls pick this summer and heavy protection on our pick in 08 and 09.

I'm not sure how that = "not too many picks." are we supposed to have more than one first rounder a year? do you really think we won't be able to make moves for the next three years, because that sounds ridiculous to me. also, we have far more chips to acquire a franchise player than we did when Thomas was hired. and he's acquired a borderline franchise player in Curry.

we lost to the Suns. man up. they've won 30 out of 32 games.
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1/26/2007  12:38 AM
Posted by nixluva:

There's almost always a deal to be made. It's just whether or not you want to trade the guys that the other team wants. I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway. At this point just continuing to develop the players we have and adding a couple of role players is all that's necessary. That could be done by Draft or FA. It doesn't have to be a trade of an expiring deal. We don't need more star types. Heck a solid PG and maybe a more agile shot blocker is all I'd look for at this point.

I think there's a tendency to rush to judgement with the players on this team. Several of them are still developing as players. Only a few of the top talent coming out of the draft comes in and performs at a high level right off the bat. Many guys need time to learn the game and how to be consistent on this level. Often when I read posts around the web I get the sense that people almost think we've topped out on the talent we already have. We still have some players who can reach another level, but we have to be a bit more patient. Heck i've been patient with this team since the last Title :) I think I can wait a while longer to see how this latest batch of young Knicks turns out.

I agree. We have one of the best rebounders in the game in Lee, we have one of the top offensive forces in the post in Curry, he have solid 3 pt shooting in Q, and we have a top flight PG in Marbury (assuming he continues to play like he has the past 3-4 weeks). Moreover, in Balkman I think we have the next Scottie Pippen type player that can guard any position, get blocks and rebounds and run the break (hopefully he will develop a jumper over the next 2 years). Frye, Crawford, and Nate all have trade value. And, we have a draft pick this year. I doubt Dolan allows IT to use the MLE this summer again, but I still have hope that Jeffries will come back better prepared next season. We have talent and we have trade assets. The only issue is can we make the right deals to improve the team and eliminate some of our redundances and pieces that don't fit.

[Edited by - TheGame on 01-26-2007 02:03 AM]
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1/26/2007  12:40 AM
Balkman is not the next Pippen, he's more like the next Ariza who can block shots. But that's fine.
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1/26/2007  12:57 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

Balkman is not the next Pippen, he's more like the next Ariza who can block shots. But that's fine.

I don't think Balkman is going to be anywhere near as good as Pippen, but I think he can do alot of the same things if he develops a jumpshot. He is a better dribbler and passer than Ariza and IMO more fluid in his motions. He is a tremedous defensive prospect and an above-average shot-blocker and solid rebounder for his position. He has to put in alot of hardwork on his game, but IMO he has alot of potential.
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Posted by arkrud:
Posted by nixluva:

There's almost always a deal to be made. It's just whether or not you want to trade the guys that the other team wants. I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway. At this point just continuing to develop the players we have and adding a couple of role players is all that's necessary. That could be done by Draft or FA. It doesn't have to be a trade of an expiring deal. We don't need more star types. Heck a solid PG and maybe a more agile shot blocker is all I'd look for at this point.

I think there's a tendency to rush to judgement with the players on this team. Several of them are still developing as players. Only a few of the top talent coming out of the draft comes in and performs at a high level right off the bat. Many guys need time to learn the game and how to be consistent on this level. Often when I read posts around the web I get the sense that people almost think we've topped out on the talent we already have. We still have some players who can reach another level, but we have to be a bit more patient. Heck i've been patient with this team since the last Title :) I think I can wait a while longer to see how this latest batch of young Knicks turns out.

WOW -
I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway
Who are thay?
Are you talking about Knicks team playing in MSG or some team from you dreams?

don't worry--he's just says anything that is a +$pin on the knicks--you know before the season 10 posts on how the knicks will win 44 games with Isiah's solid coaching and now 36 wins--were develpoing later it will be"well 30 wins is % better than 23 etc.."


Balkman has some scottie P charachteristics---- his nose he's 6-8 and he can sky. Everytime I watch the nets I ask myself just w t f were we thinking drafting balkman at 21 when we couldve had him with 29
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1/26/2007  1:43 AM
Posted by nixluva:

There's almost always a deal to be made. It's just whether or not you want to trade the guys that the other team wants. I don't think it's a matter of us needing any more top line talent anyway. At this point just continuing to develop the players we have and adding a couple of role players is all that's necessary.

I guess this means your goal is to make the playoffs. since the knicks are gonna need alot more than isiah's horrible MLE signings, and his pretty good late first round picks to be a contender. this team doesn't have the potential to be a contender, what team in our position ever did?
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1/26/2007  7:39 AM
Posted by TheGame:
I agree. We have one of the best rebounders in the game in Lee, we have one of the top offensive forces in the post in Curry, he have solid 3 pt shooting in Q, and we have a top flight PG in Marbury (assuming he continues to play like he has the past 3-4 weeks).
Its amazing with that we are a .400 team, with 15 double digit losses in half a season, and our guys still can seem to fin the energy to play hard on a nightly basis.

I really wonder what you guys are watching when you say this stuff.
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1/26/2007  8:33 AM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by TheGame:
I agree. We have one of the best rebounders in the game in Lee, we have one of the top offensive forces in the post in Curry, he have solid 3 pt shooting in Q, and we have a top flight PG in Marbury (assuming he continues to play like he has the past 3-4 weeks).
Its amazing with that we are a .400 team, with 15 double digit losses in half a season, and our guys still can seem to fin the energy to play hard on a nightly basis.

I really wonder what you guys are watching when you say this stuff.

What are talking about? What did I say that was not true? If you look at this team objectively, there are several players here that are worth keeping and that can be part of a playoff-caliber basketball team. I think the four players I mentioned, plus Balkman and Collins (assuming they continue to improve or in the case of Marbury, continue to play like he has recently) are a solid start to a winning team. I think we can use Frye, Nate, and Crawford, who all have trade value, as trade bait to get some other players that fit better with this team or at least package them with Jeffries and Rose to get rid of some of our bad contracts (we obviously are stuck with JJ1 for the duration). There are some positives to this team despite the record. The real question is whether we can make the moves necessary to improve roster and build a team that works better on the court.
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