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Queeniepop
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1/25/2007  7:50 PM
I am sorry, but those who believe Isiah is doing a good job are sorely mistaken. His ego prevents him from playing the right combo of players. The only way he actually was able to was a result of the brawl with Denver and injuries. Sadly, Isiah is a poor talent manager and X's and O's guy. He can only have the box of eight crayons versus the box of 64. Isiah the GM really screwed Isiah the coach. We are strapped with contracts. His past few picks have been less than stellar, except for Lee. Nate is a freakin joke of a player. Frye is now yesterday's news. Balkman should play more but obviously Isiah sees otherwise. Mardy Collins...come on???

I mentioned in a previous post that Isiah is Herm Edwards. Great coach 6 days a week, but on the seventh and most important day (in our case, like every other day), he is just clueless. The time management/time out issues are very similar to Herm as well. He is too conservative to take a chance and he puts all of his eggs in one basket like with Jared or Curry and even Marbury. He relies on broken players like Q and plays them until they are useless (see Chad Pennington). Plus, there is no real in-team competition because everything is a given- like Steph starting or Jeffries or Channing.

Eric Mangini made Chad Pennington compete for his starting spot. Each week he quizzes the players on the gameplan and if they do not pass, they dont play. Sounds LB-ish but Mangini is 35 yrs old and looks like the Bob's Big Boy icon. The players couldnt stand or trust him thru most of training camp and the start of the season. But when they started to see they could win, they believed. Mangini focuses on the little things like minimizing penalties at the line of scrimmage, personal foul penalties, etc. Taking care of the little things in the immediate will ultimately leverage the big picture. Hence a 3-13 season in 2005 to a 10-4 season in 2006 and a playoff berth. WITH A COLLECTION OF PLAYERS, some talent, seven draft picks and a QB who had two shoulder surgeries in consecutive seasons. He motivates thru sport- on Sat nites before games, the team discusses the gameplan and then watches clips of champions a la Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali. He uses a ton of boxing analogies and brings in guest speakers and such.

Mangini started off as the low of the low...a water boy, an intern in PR for the Browns. He ran into Bill Belichick, the Browns coach at the time who attended Weselyan, his alma mater. Belichick took him under his wing and gave him a very low assistant position- he analyzed film. He eventually ascended up to an offensive assistant. When Bellichick got fired from the Browns and got hired by the Pats, he took Mangini with him. Obviously, we all know what happened from here on with NE and I hate them for it as a Jets fan. But to have THE MANGINI-OUS as a coach is excellent...you know he knows the game, how to coach, how an NFL org runs top-down because he has experienced it all. He comes to the most brutal sports market and succeeds.

Mangini worked for everything. He learned about every facet of the NFL game and business. He wasnt a player or a heralded college coach. He comes from the Parcells lineage via Bellichick. Mangini took a collection of players, no star, and a lot of young fellas and got it to work. He coached the Jets to play within their capacities and he is not afraid to take chances.

THE KNICKS need a MANGINI-OUS...where can we find this guy?
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Marv
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1/25/2007  8:12 PM
what would even a mangini be able to do with this collection of crap though? like you said, the roster is poopoo big time. outside of david anad renaldo everyone is fragile, either mentally or physically or both.
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1/25/2007  8:20 PM
LOL, Queenie a Jets fan????? This is too much.

Marv the Jets roster before this season was "Doodoo",or that is what many said. MANGINI-OUS is hard thing to find in the NBA.... actually I don't think any coach has done what Mangini did with jets this season.

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1/25/2007  8:56 PM
well football is the ultimate team game. and the jets always had a decent, if not good defense. that's a big leg up. these two sports are tough to compare but if we had a good frontcourt defense, we'd be in many more games and probably win more than we lose with the right motivation.

right now, we're like the washington redskins. these names at all these positions but none of them mix.
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1/25/2007  9:18 PM
Hey Queenie, thats an excellent post. I can't even add anything to it. Great post!
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1/25/2007  10:01 PM
I thought this post was going to be about our players "MAN-GINAs"
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1/25/2007  10:21 PM
I wouldn't criticize Isiah the coach- yes,he was short time outs- but he overall, I think he has done an excellent job of getting guys to play harder.

I am sure he is playing Jeffries to try to get him back from the brink.
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1/25/2007  10:30 PM
as a die hard jets fans, I feel you on this thread...
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1/25/2007  11:05 PM
Marcus Williams could have been our Kellen Clemens (for those who don't know him...he was the QB from Oregon that they took in 2005 Draft)...there was speculation before and at the start of the season that he would take the starting job from Chad...Isiah would never have the balls to do that and that is why he passed on him (see our collection of guards, specifically the one who wears the same number of wins the Jets had in 2005).

...also, correction, of which I am embarassed about- the Jets went 10-6 not 10-4...I am a pretty big sports fan so I don't want to look like an amateur to the UK peeps. The DJ knows this- I PWN him!



[Edited by - queeniepop on 01-25-2007 11:08 PM]
Marv
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1/26/2007  7:19 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:

...also, correction, of which I am embarassed about- the Jets went 10-6 not 10-4...I am a pretty big sports fan so I don't want to look like an amateur to the UK peeps. The DJ knows this- I PWN him!



[Edited by - queeniepop on 01-25-2007 11:08 PM]

that's easy pickins. you gotta go deeper than the dj to convince us.
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1/26/2007  8:56 AM
Good take Queenie!

The problem is we have perhaps the most ego encrusted team given the huge amount of cash these guys are getting paid "guaranteed".

They barely game Larry a chance, yet alone a young guy.

The non guaranteed nature of NFL contracts is condusive to that kind of coaching.

Could Nate pass the tests?

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1/26/2007  8:58 AM
Posted by Queeniepop:


Typical example of female violence. I hope Jason Kidd is watching.
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1/26/2007  10:14 AM
Posted by Marv:

that's easy pickins. you gotta go deeper than the dj to convince us.

that's ok marv...everybody knows the jets are the biggest tease in ny sports...
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1/26/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by Nalod:

Good take Queenie!

The problem is we have perhaps the most ego encrusted team given the huge amount of cash these guys are getting paid "guaranteed".

They barely game Larry a chance, yet alone a young guy.

The non guaranteed nature of NFL contracts is condusive to that kind of coaching.

Could Nate pass the tests?

Too much energy = Dumb now???? Wow.....

[Edited by - anji on 01-26-2007 10:22 AM]
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1/26/2007  10:28 AM
Posted by fishmike:

I thought this post was going to be about our players "MAN-GINAs"


LOL... TT's Mangina cream is still in the Knicks lockerroom... maybe Channing & Jefferies could use it to cure some of the chafing.
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1/26/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

that's easy pickins. you gotta go deeper than the dj to convince us.

that's ok marv...everybody knows the jets are the biggest tease in ny sports...

i thought anucha was.

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1/26/2007  2:56 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

I am sorry, but those who believe Isiah is doing a good job are sorely mistaken. His ego prevents him from playing the right combo of players. The only way he actually was able to was a result of the brawl with Denver and injuries. Sadly, Isiah is a poor talent manager and X's and O's guy. He can only have the box of eight crayons versus the box of 64. Isiah the GM really screwed Isiah the coach. We are strapped with contracts. His past few picks have been less than stellar, except for Lee. Nate is a freakin joke of a player. Frye is now yesterday's news. Balkman should play more but obviously Isiah sees otherwise. Mardy Collins...come on???

I mentioned in a previous post that Isiah is Herm Edwards. Great coach 6 days a week, but on the seventh and most important day (in our case, like every other day), he is just clueless. The time management/time out issues are very similar to Herm as well. He is too conservative to take a chance and he puts all of his eggs in one basket like with Jared or Curry and even Marbury. He relies on broken players like Q and plays them until they are useless (see Chad Pennington). Plus, there is no real in-team competition because everything is a given- like Steph starting or Jeffries or Channing.

Eric Mangini made Chad Pennington compete for his starting spot. Each week he quizzes the players on the gameplan and if they do not pass, they dont play. Sounds LB-ish but Mangini is 35 yrs old and looks like the Bob's Big Boy icon. The players couldnt stand or trust him thru most of training camp and the start of the season. But when they started to see they could win, they believed. Mangini focuses on the little things like minimizing penalties at the line of scrimmage, personal foul penalties, etc. Taking care of the little things in the immediate will ultimately leverage the big picture. Hence a 3-13 season in 2005 to a 10-4 season in 2006 and a playoff berth. WITH A COLLECTION OF PLAYERS, some talent, seven draft picks and a QB who had two shoulder surgeries in consecutive seasons. He motivates thru sport- on Sat nites before games, the team discusses the gameplan and then watches clips of champions a la Jordan, Tiger Woods, Ali. He uses a ton of boxing analogies and brings in guest speakers and such.

Mangini started off as the low of the low...a water boy, an intern in PR for the Browns. He ran into Bill Belichick, the Browns coach at the time who attended Weselyan, his alma mater. Belichick took him under his wing and gave him a very low assistant position- he analyzed film. He eventually ascended up to an offensive assistant. When Bellichick got fired from the Browns and got hired by the Pats, he took Mangini with him. Obviously, we all know what happened from here on with NE and I hate them for it as a Jets fan. But to have THE MANGINI-OUS as a coach is excellent...you know he knows the game, how to coach, how an NFL org runs top-down because he has experienced it all. He comes to the most brutal sports market and succeeds.

Mangini worked for everything. He learned about every facet of the NFL game and business. He wasnt a player or a heralded college coach. He comes from the Parcells lineage via Bellichick. Mangini took a collection of players, no star, and a lot of young fellas and got it to work. He coached the Jets to play within their capacities and he is not afraid to take chances.

THE KNICKS need a MANGINI-OUS...where can we find this guy?

Queenie I agree with our 100%, but our Mangini was Larry Brown. Mangini made players earn their starting spots (Cotchery over McCariens) and we had Antonio Davis over Frye and we should do the same with LEE over Frye, but the NBA is fulled of overpaid spoiled bitches. Football is coaches league. Basketball was but now seems to be more of players league. So even though Larry Brown could of ressurected this team, the players and NBA fans would not allow that to happen. I was all for Larry Brown staying. I guess I was one of the few that saw what he was trying to do. So we will just suffer watching this team with a few "UHHS AND AHHS" in the high scoring OT wins and Curry alley opps. That Knicks basketball baby!!!

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1/26/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by Cookdcokehop:


Queenie I agree with our 100%, but our Mangini was Larry Brown. Mangini made players earn their starting spots (Cotchery over McCariens) and we had Antonio Davis over Frye and we should do the same with LEE over Frye, but the NBA is fulled of overpaid spoiled bitches. Football is coaches league. Basketball was but now seems to be more of players league. So even though Larry Brown could of ressurected this team, the players and NBA fans would not allow that to happen. I was all for Larry Brown staying. I guess I was one of the few that saw what he was trying to do. So we will just suffer watching this team with a few "UHHS AND AHHS" in the high scoring OT wins and Curry alley opps. That Knicks basketball baby!!!

Great post man.
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1/26/2007  3:55 PM
I think this is a great post i think his drafting is for to overated, and one poster made a great point all isiah does is take the most athletic freak available late in the draft and hope he pans out. Athletes are able to make up for their lack of skills and provide energy and get by on their athletic talent alone......

I think last year he had a real chance to add a great player with the #7 Granger was my choice but i was leaning towards bynum because i wanted to take a chance on a big that would develop....

This year he had another chance for a very nice draft and passed on two pgs with leadership abilities in Williams/Lowry I don't know or think that Balkman was going to be taken by the Suns...I thought the collins pick was a joke because Isiah gave the logic we didn't need a pg at 21 and then takes him at 20. Alexander Johnson/Balkman at the 30 would have been a great draft.....

I don't really think he has done one thing other than draft lee that has been a slam dunk since he has been here.....
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