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Solace
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1/25/2007  5:31 PM
This has been mentioned a few times, but thought I'd give a list, which could provide some interesting perspective on some of Isiah's perplexing moves.

1) Trading for Moochie Norris, then two days later trading for Stephon Marbury. Why? At that point, Spoon would've been more useful to the team than Norris, who became a third string PG behind Frank Williams and Norris provided nothing that FWill didn't already.
2) Trading for Malik Rose when we already had Jerome Williams. This was probably for the pick, but you still have to wonder. He again traded for a player who obsoleted his previous player.
3) Trading for Mo Taylor when we already had Mike Sweetney, Kurt Thomas, etc... etc... This one was ridiculous and he gave up a pick to do it.
4) Drafting Nate Robinson when we already had Jamal Crawford and Stephon Marbury. Another one that makes you blink. What role does Nate have? We got a player who plays like those guys but is shorter. Nice!
5) Signing Jerome James, then trading for Eddy Curry, which effectively obsoleted the need for James. This is the classic example of Isiah redundancy... maybe.
6) Trading for Jalen Rose when we already had Penny Hardaway. Granted this one was cleared up right away with the Francis trade, but still begs the point... why couldn't we have used Penny to fill that role and save ourselves $34 MM on Jalen Rose who we just waived anyway? For a #20 pick? Ok.
7) Trading for Steve Francis when we already had Marbury, Crawbury and Natebury. Brilliant.
8) Signing Jared Jeffries after we just drafted Balkman. Nice! Now Balkman, who is clearly better than JJ2, is benched. Sweet!

Let me know if I missed any? I only got 8 so far and I was really hoping for 10.
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1/25/2007  5:47 PM
"obsoleted" what kind of word is that??? j/k i wont start that again...

I agree with your points except i think you shoulda left off #1.
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1/25/2007  5:57 PM
1 - i don't get the question if he'd already traded for Norris 2 days before trading for Marbury... but anyway, he probably wanted to get rid of Spoon cuz he was a Layden acquisition... i really didn't care 1 way or the other on this one cuz Spoon made me nauseous everytime i saw him on the floor

2 - i didn't mind that one cuz we got the pick & it was only Nazr who we gave up... no big whoop.. turns out this was 1 of his best trades ever cuz he turned that pick into D Lee

3 - that was a head scratcher, but i have to man up & say i didn't really object when the deal went down cuz i thought a KT trade was in the works to follow (& he did trade KT for Q Rich & a pick later on, so i can't complain about that)

4 - i liked the pick when it was made cuz i loved that kid's athleticism in college... figured he'd become 1 of MSG's most popular players & be a spark plug a-la JYD... didn't know he was the knucklehead he's proven to be though & Ellis woulda been a nice pick to make at that spot, but i didn't even know who Ellis was before this season to be honest

5 - u know my feelings on the Turd signing

6 - i was OK w/the Jalen trade also cuz of the pick... again, who'd have known Jalen would end up being bought out instead of being used as a trade asset later on? & we were getting nothing out of Penny cuz he was always injured.

7 - i was OK w/the Francis trade when it went down cuz i thought there was a big trade to follow (i was kinda hoping it would involve Marbury at the time, i have to admit)... obviously that's turned out to be a disaster

8 - didn't really mind the Jefferies signing, but was disappointed cuz i knew Balkman's minutes would suffer because of it... this has proven to be another bad FA signing so far.

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basically, i was OK w/most of Isiah's moves when they went down other than the Turd signing, a few i didn't mind 1 way or the other on, & 1 that i was horrified over at the time it went down... w/the exception of the Malik trade, most of those you probably do differently if you can do it over again, but it's easy to second guess this stuff when you already know the outcome.
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Solace
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1/25/2007  6:06 PM
My point with the Moochie Norris trade was why trade for Moochie Norris, when you know you're working on a Stephon Marbury trade? Spoon was a decent player to have off the bench, but with Marbury, you had Frank Williams backing up and wanted to resign Ward after the Suns released him (which was part of the Marbury trade). However, Ward didn't come back to the Knicks since the Knicks already had 3 PGs.

It's just an example of a typical Isiah move.
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1/25/2007  6:28 PM
The Spoon for Norris trade was to create more time for Sweetney to play.

Rose was definatly for 2 draft picks though he overpaid

Mo Taylor trade I don't know what the hell he was thinking. The only thing I can come up with was that he was trying to make KT expendable.

He drafted Nate because Marbury was playin 40min a night and we had no depth. Plus Robinson was all energy and excitment, fast and athletic and Isiah felt that the team needed a player with his type of energy. Hopeing he would be the energizer bunny to get the team to play that way.

Jerome James I don't know what the hell he was thinking. Just a horrible signing

Rose was to get a draft pick and since Marbury went down with energy and the team just came off a 6 game win streak was to see if for Rose short contract if he could get them playing well.

Franics im not getting into.

Jefferies was supposed to bring all the intangibles that the team didn't have.

Im not saying I dissagree with you solace. Im just putting my undertanding and reasoning to Isiahs moves.
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1/25/2007  8:26 PM
Only Horrible ones was Jerome and Francis vs Marbury and Curry. Everything else was fine in the end it makes guys expendable.Evey though Jared Sucks eggs, balkman wasn't going to start and Q looked like he was going to retire in a year the way he was looking.
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Solace
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1/26/2007  9:41 AM
Posted by Anji:

Only Horrible ones was Jerome and Francis vs Marbury and Curry. Everything else was fine in the end it makes guys expendable.Evey though Jared Sucks eggs, balkman wasn't going to start and Q looked like he was going to retire in a year the way he was looking.

Everything else was fine? How can you say that? You're okay with trading for Mo Taylor, giving up expirings and giving up a pick to get him? The point is that Isiah makes moves which either lack forsight (e.g.: Not a very good solution), or brings in players who already do the same things as players he have.

The point is that this is a big mish mosh... and it appears to be by design. How can one GM do this this many times and it not be? Balance and Isiah Thomas just aren't very good friends.
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1/26/2007  10:34 AM
Mo taylor wasn't a big risk and that 2nd round pick didn't hurt this team. Was your point that Isiah brings in the same players or that some of the players sucked after they were here??? Mo Taylor wasn't a double of anybody and was cheap, so from the stand point of your original post, yes that trade didn't borther me. Every GM gets those types of players they think are good or can help the team. Mcginns and Marc Jackson would be Thorns, sometimes they suck.
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1/26/2007  10:37 AM
The suns gave away their pick last year for nothing and you didn't have to take on a malik rose to do it, that trade still sucks i don't care if we got dlee we can purchase a late pick teams don't want the guarented contract....they save close to 1 million and you give them 3. 4 million to smaller franchises is a nice chunk of change
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1/26/2007  10:57 AM
i'd much rather have D Lee & Malik over Nazr's expiring contract, but that's just me.
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