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djsunyc
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1/25/2007  12:08 PM
he took 9 shots vs. miami = 8 of them from 3
he took 5 shots vs. pheonix = 4 of them from 3

the prior 3 games, he played 42+ mins. he did get 7 and 6 rebounds respectively but he's been parked out at the 3 point line the past 2 games after logging big time minutes. and watching him the past two games, he's not really getting off the ground.

and the move to sg has him running all over the place trying to guard smaller and quicker players on the perimeter, something he's not that good at doing. he can body up the bigger SF's, but i think sg's can get by him.

but for 2 games now, he's brought nothing to the table offensively and is committing a TON of bad turnovers.

so is it a slump or is it more?
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1/25/2007  12:14 PM
It's a correction. Quentin Richardson has been playing at a higher efficiency rate this year than at any other time. I think he will still end up having a very good year, but not with the numbers/percentages he has been displaying so far.

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1/25/2007  12:15 PM
Posted by oohah:

It's a correction. Quentin Richardson has been playing at a higher efficiency rate this year than at any other time. I think he will still end up having a very good year, but not with the numbers/percentages he has been displaying so far.

oohah

i agree with that. a career 39/40% shooter just doesn't become a 45% shooter...at least not without some flaxseed oil.
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1/25/2007  12:22 PM
What are the options?

slump
bad back
poor utilization by coach
still can't forgive himself for not kicking Marbury's azz
tired of shower fights with Nate
too many late nights at White Castle with Eddy
missing Larry bad
he's lost when he doesn't do that horny forehead bang
distracted by his left sock which keeps slipping off his calf
is trying to clear-out so Jared can isolate
other

I think it's his back.
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1/25/2007  1:22 PM
i don't buy the having to guard quicker guys at the 2G cuz he's been checking guys like Lebron, Pierce, Melo, Gordon, etc. all year long & he's still been able to be effective... i think he's just in a slight slump, or maybe his back is hurting him again.
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1/25/2007  1:25 PM
Posted by TMS:

i don't buy the having to guard quicker guys at the 2G cuz he's been checking guys like Lebron, Pierce, Melo, Gordon, etc. all year long & he's still been able to be effective... i think he's just in a slight slump, or maybe his back is hurting him again.

lebron, pierce, and melo are bigger dudes that he can body. but the SG's are smaller and more elusive. it is different. and he didn't guard be gordon (at least not that i remember).
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1/25/2007  1:34 PM
he had to check Raja Bell last night, which isn't a hard assignment by any stretch (Raja went 1 for 11 too i believe)... so i don't think this has any thing to do w/why he was off his game last night... his shot just wasn't falling.
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1/25/2007  1:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

It's a correction. Quentin Richardson has been playing at a higher efficiency rate this year than at any other time. I think he will still end up having a very good year, but not with the numbers/percentages he has been displaying so far.

oohah

i agree with that. a career 39/40% shooter just doesn't become a 45% shooter...at least not without some flaxseed oil.

You just answered your own question: He ran out of Flaxseeed oil. Goddamn snow slowed the shipment.

Or maybe he ran out of spinach?



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1/25/2007  1:44 PM
Posted by oohah:



Or maybe he ran out of spinach?


oohah

I think Q just needs a little Brandy again.

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1/25/2007  1:45 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

i agree with that. a career 39/40% shooter just doesn't become a 45% shooter...at least not without some flaxseed oil.

Maybe he should go to Alonzo Mourning's guy.
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1/25/2007  1:48 PM
Since Q has been back as of 1/10 vs Philly (8 games):

109 FGA
59 of the 109 FGA are 3FGA
54% of Q's FGA's are 3FGA

The last 3 games:

30 FGA
22 of 30 FGA are 3FGA
73% of Q's FGA are 3FGA
He has made 7 three pointers out of 22
He has made 8 FG's of 30 FGA (7 of 8 are threes and 1 of 8 are 2 ptrs)

On the season:

Q has taken 376 FG's and 163 are 3FG's
3FG's account for 43.4% of his shots

[Edited by - queeniepop on 01-25-2007 1:51 PM]
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1/25/2007  1:54 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Since Q has been back as of 1/10 vs Philly (8 games):

109 FGA
59 of the 109 FGA are 3FGA
54% of Q's FGA's are 3FGA

The last 3 games:

30 FGA
22 of 30 FGA are 3FGA
73% of Q's FGA are 3FGA
He has made 7 three pointers out of 22
He has made 8 FG's of 30 FGA (7 of 8 are threes and 1 of 8 are 2 ptrs)

On the season:

Q has taken 376 FG's and 163 are 3FG's
3FG's account for 43.4% of his shots

[Edited by - queeniepop on 01-25-2007 1:51 PM]

Queenie, do you think Q is being "lazy" because his back hurts or Isiah's changed his role?
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1/25/2007  2:03 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

Since Q has been back as of 1/10 vs Philly (8 games):

109 FGA
59 of the 109 FGA are 3FGA
54% of Q's FGA's are 3FGA

The last 3 games:

30 FGA
22 of 30 FGA are 3FGA
73% of Q's FGA are 3FGA
He has made 7 three pointers out of 22
He has made 8 FG's of 30 FGA (7 of 8 are threes and 1 of 8 are 2 ptrs)

On the season:

Q has taken 376 FG's and 163 are 3FG's
3FG's account for 43.4% of his shots

you need to include %'s to say if those are good things or not.

he is 65 for 163 for 40% from the 3 point line
he is 97 for 213 for 46% inside the 3 point line

he's having a career year percentage wise but like oohah said, you can't expect that to keep up when he's a career 40% shooter and 36% from 3.
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1/25/2007  2:07 PM
By contrast:

Stephon Marbury has taken 501 FGA and 147 3FGA
29.3% are Marbles shots are 3-FGA (too many for Marbs)
He has played in 43 games

Jamal Crawford has taken 667 FGA and 235 are 3FG
35% of his shots are 3FGA (way too many)

The BIG difference are these factors:

FTA/FT %

Q 82 FTA/68.3% (32 games)
Marbury 212 FTA/75% (43 games)
JC 188 FTA /82.4% (44 games)

Both Marbury and Jamal shoot 44% from the field on 2pt FGs but go to the line waaayy more

Q 2.6 FTA per game
Marbs 4.9 FTA per game
JC 4.3 FTA per game
djsunyc
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1/25/2007  2:10 PM
makes sense, they both have the ball in their hands for the majority of the time while quentin is more catch and shoot or offensive rebound putbacks.
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1/25/2007  2:22 PM
I think he has settled alot lately for jumpers. His highest percentages come from when he is under the basket. Judging by his last three games and his game log, you can see when he camps out at the 3 pt line. Usually he plays super hard and gritty for about 3-5 games and then the trend is something like this:

LAST 3 GAMES

30 FGA
22 of 30 FGA are 3FGA
73% of Q's FGA are 3FGA

This leads me to believe its his BACK...brokeback, right DJ?? Kidding, but true. I think Isiah through him in the mix way too quickly after a bout with persistent, debilitating and recurring back problem. Zeke maxed him out in the short term (the first 3 or 4 games) and unfortunately, the team will pay for Isiah's blunder. I think its quite similar with Marbury...he knew the knee was bad yet he persisted to play him an inordinate amount of minutes. Last night, he did not hesitate to play Jamal 48 straight minutes with the only breather being halftime.

Ultimately this leads to the DJ's favorite topic...a poorly constructed Isiah masterpiece...we look deep, but as misterearl says..."it aint that deep." but that is a topic for another time and in another thread.

Q cannot be a part of the future of this team though his contract suggests otherwise. Despite the fact that I like Q, and think he is a great contributor, when he can be. And when I say when he can be, that means that his inconsistent health is just as inconsistent as a jumpshooter...he'll be around sometimes but not always. And we cannot keep shuffling him in and out of the line-up because it hurts the rest of our team because their roles change as well.
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1/25/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

makes sense, they both have the ball in their hands for the majority of the time while quentin is more catch and shoot or offensive rebound putbacks.

Eddy goes to the line. Q gets passed to plenty. He doesnt drive or draw fouls (even on spot up shooting). He doesnt play under the bucket consistently- prob related to his back. And he is a not-so-good FT shooter.
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1/25/2007  2:24 PM
I dont know why but i feel like whenever Q contributes its like a bonus i dont have expectations for him
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1/25/2007  2:27 PM
Posted by Queeniepop:

I think he has settled alot lately for jumpers. His highest percentages come from when he is under the basket. Judging by his last three games and his game log, you can see when he camps out at the 3 pt line. Usually he plays super hard and gritty for about 3-5 games and then the trend is something like this:

LAST 3 GAMES

30 FGA
22 of 30 FGA are 3FGA
73% of Q's FGA are 3FGA

This leads me to believe its his BACK...brokeback, right DJ?? Kidding, but true. I think Isiah through him in the mix way too quickly after a bout with persistent, debilitating and recurring back problem. Zeke maxed him out in the short term (the first 3 or 4 games) and unfortunately, the team will pay for Isiah's blunder. I think its quite similar with Marbury...he knew the knee was bad yet he persisted to play him an inordinate amount of minutes. Last night, he did not hesitate to play Jamal 48 straight minutes with the only breather being halftime.

Ultimately this leads to the DJ's favorite topic...a poorly constructed Isiah masterpiece...we look deep, but as misterearl says..."it aint that deep." but that is a topic for another time and in another thread.

Q cannot be a part of the future of this team though his contract suggests otherwise. Despite the fact that I like Q, and think he is a great contributor, when he can be. And when I say when he can be, that means that his inconsistent health is just as inconsistent as a jumpshooter...he'll be around sometimes but not always. And we cannot keep shuffling him in and out of the line-up because it hurts the rest of our team because their roles change as well.


Yup. A healthy Q could be a wonderful thing, but...
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