True Blue: I'm sick of your excuses

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Solace:

Excellent post. It seems like the expectations are fitted to the situation wherever it's convenient. If we went 0-82, there would be excuses for that too.

The excuses are one thing but I'm beginning to think the Lovers never had full faith this team was going to be as good as they wanted to advertise. The statements are damning on their expectations and I'm not quite sure if they are even aware of it.

TrueBlue: No offense, but why has it taken you this long to figure it out.

Posted by Bippity10:

Posted by TrueBlue:

Posted by Solace:

Excellent post. It seems like the expectations are fitted to the situation wherever it's convenient. If we went 0-82, there would be excuses for that too.

The excuses are one thing but I'm beginning to think the Lovers never had full faith this team was going to be as good as they wanted to advertise. The statements are damning on their expectations and I'm not quite sure if they are even aware of it.

TrueBlue: No offense, but why has it taken you this long to figure it out.

In Like Manner of the Knicks I have low Message Board IQ. Please forgive me.

I think what you are not taking into account is that NONE of us were saying this team would START THE YEAR PLAYING like a 40+ win team. You want them to be playing at the rate NOW and what we've been saying from the START is that the team should build towards that. Now you can nitpick over the excuses we make, but the truth is that a slow start followed by improved play was what most of us expected and it's been happening for the most part.

The thing is that the team has until the last two games been playing fairly well. If you take the early bad stretch 6-11 in November, which most would fairly expect would happen given the new coach, system and schedule, they actually didn't do as bad as predicted. After that they played much better in December 7-9. And so far in January they're 5-6. What we are hoping for is a stretch as somepoint in the season when they go on a nice run and can play above .500 for a while, this can get them up to the 40 game area as we so called Lovers have been hoping for.

The way you guys talk you'd think it was impossible. There's no guarantee, but this team still has a chance to achieve the goals we all have for them. What gives hope is that this team lost 2 of it's games by one point and those games could go either way. Still we had a winning record in Jan. That is until the last two games in which the team didn't play well. But the season isn't over yet and you guys seem to be forgetting that. It's not just excuses that we so called Lovers are putting out there. Injuries for a developing team can be big. Especially a team trying to FIND some consistency and an identity. We didn't come into the season with those things.

Posted by nixluva:

I think what you are not taking into account is that NONE of us were saying this team would START THE YEAR PLAYING like a 40+ win team. You want them to be playing at the rate NOW and what we've been saying from the START is that the team should build towards that. Now you can nitpick over the excuses we make, but the truth is that a slow start followed by improved play was what most of us expected and it's been happening for the most part.

The thing is that the team has until the last two games been playing fairly well. If you take the early bad stretch 6-11 in November, which most would fairly expect would happen given the new coach, system and schedule, they actually didn't do as bad as predicted. After that they played much better in December 7-9. And so far in January they're 5-6. What we are hoping for is a stretch as somepoint in the season when they go on a nice run and can play above .500 for a while, this can get them up to the 40 game area as we so called Lovers have been hoping for.

The way you guys talk you'd think it was impossible. There's no guarantee, but this team still has a chance to achieve the goals we all have for them. What gives hope is that this team lost 2 of it's games by one point and those games could go either way. Still we had a winning record in Jan. That is until the last two games in which the team didn't play well. But the season isn't over yet and you guys seem to be forgetting that. It's not just excuses that we so called Lovers are putting out there. Injuries for a developing team can be big. Especially a team trying to FIND some consistency and an identity. We didn't come into the season with those things.

The circumstances are never going to be perfect unfortunately. There will always be injuries and there will always be tough stretches of schedule.

But the reality is that what was said is true. This board has a "lovers" and Haters" myth floating around. When the reality is that we all have the same expectations of this team. We are all predicting the same ballpark. It's just that some think that after 7 years it's progress. We need to stop looking at this as Laydne's era. Or Isiah's era. OR LB's era. OR Chaney's era. And realize it is our organization. When you look at this team as a whole since the day Patrick left it has been a calamity.

The youth has talent. But we are going to waste a window of opportunity if we don't start building a team instead of throwing the "best player available" on the roster.

Posted by Anji:

We really need to win a couple of these games coming up, because your thread total is way too high when we lose. I like the other threads when we are doing well and alot you have to fake your way threw a couple of postive post with less assumptions.

When have they done well? A 3 game winning streak every other month?

Guess what, those mirages don't negate the obvious flaws of this team and organization.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Anji:

We really need to win a couple of these games coming up, because your thread total is way too high when we lose. I like the other threads when we are doing well and alot you have to fake your way threw a couple of postive post with less assumptions.

When have they done well? A 3 game winning streak every other month?

Guess what, those mirages don't negate the obvious flaws of this team and organization.

Especially when the win streak is against Portland, Seattle, and Philly. We have to start embracing and hugging to the conclusion we're screwed.

i've always been realistic of my expectations for this team... 36 win team means you're going to have games where they look very mediocre, a few games where they look like they could be contenders, & then some games where they'll look absolutely putrid & make you wish you weren't a Knick fan... it's the fans that complain about the team after every loss that makes me think their expectations were raised to some unattainable level for this team this season... i tend to think the ones who don't overreact to every win or every loss are the realistic ones.

I thought Hater and Lover had to do with if we're loving or hating what Isiah has done. Results and opinions don't boil down to how many victories we notch in 2006-2007. We all love the Knicks. I'd predict them to go 82-0 every year just because.