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BRIGGS
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1/25/2007  12:59 AM
the IQ is very low---except for Lee--most of these guys don't know how to play basketball--Curry is the only pleasant surprise--he doesnt have to think he just has to get underneath the basket strong an dunk--that is why he is not a shaq or for that facta bynum he doesnt pass the rebounds he gets fall to him he doesnt block shots unless they are coming off the backboard---but a lot is forgiven because he can go 30 points 55%++++ how about the other day that was great 1 rebound and it fell to him with like 10 seconds left?

ever see the looks on these guys faces?
frye? 24 years old 4 years of college--looks like he is scared 1/2 the time hes out there
jefferies--the player still hasnt figured out how to make a lay up at 6-11

nate--i love nate but hes an out of control time bomb who needs some basketball 101
jc---dumb 90% of the game
q rich---he's just happy hes got that headband look going and 8 large rolling in
Marbury--great talent tough guy dumb basketball player

balkman?
jerome james?

this is not something that you fix --it is what it is.



this 5+ year nightmare isnt getting fixed anytime soon. I HOPE that Dolan DOES NOT hand over any more $$$ to IT----the problem is IT IS smart and maipulative just enough to get his next big payday after that he is jerome james--he could care less:(




[Edited by - BRIGGS on 01-25-2007 01:02 AM]
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Bonn1997
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1/25/2007  1:54 AM
I agree with the bulk of your post but I don't think Marbury's a dumb player at all. Sometimes his motivation is low, particularly on defense, but that's not stupidity. When he wants to be, I think he's a great decision maker and great combo gaurd.
TheGame
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1/25/2007  7:08 AM
The only players that I think you can fairly say have a low BB IQ's are Nate and Crawford and JJ1. Everyone else either has decent to good basketball knowledge (Marbury, Q, Lee) or are too young to make a true judgment (Balkman, Mardy) or are still developing their skills and might still turn out to be solid BB players (Frye, Jeffries, Curry). Curry admitted is not a high BB IQ player and needs to learn how to pass out of the double team, but that is something I think he can learn. Frye just needs to get more comfortable in what he is trying to do out there and work on his lateral movement and defensive positioning. Neither he nor the team knows exactly how to best use him yet. Balkman just needs experience but it is clear to me that he knows how to play basketball at a high level. Mardy seems like a heady player that just needs to work on his skills. Lee obviously is a smart BB player that needs to work on his indiviudal defense and jumpshot. Marbury and Q are solid veterans as well as Rose, who just does not have his physical skills anymore. The real problem is Crawford. This guy could be Kobe Bryant-Lite if he just learned when to pass and when to shoot and how to set up good shots. He is either going all the way to the rack or pulling up for some crazy jumper. The only player he is helping other than himself is Curry, with a few good passes. Crawford could be so much more if he just learned how to be efficient in what he is doing out there on the court, sub .400 shooting is not acceptable. Nate just plays too out of control and wears his emotions on his sleeve. He needs to learn to control himself and run an NBA offense and stop getting into it with the refs and other players.
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Solace
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1/25/2007  8:11 AM
Posted by edsonline:

the IQ of all the players are low - except for the one white player. what a racist ****ing post.

346 posts, 345 accusations of racism. Do you have anything else to say? Otherwise, stop wasting our time.

I think overall Briggs is right on target. The guys who I would say are dumb players are Curry, Craw, Jeffries, Frye, JJ. I think Marbury, Francis, Balkman, Q, etc... all show some basketball IQ. I would agree that Lee is our only high IQ player, but that doesn't make everyone else dumb.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 25 2007 08:32 AM]
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jazz74
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1/25/2007  8:30 AM
ctually, i think curry's iq i better especially at the offensive end. he knows when to score on double teams and to pass out of the same situation. he has been better with that. jeffries had a history of having a decent bball iq. he is just having a slump and figuring out his role. i would agree that marbury is very knowledgable and has a great iq. q-rich is a smart player also.
misterearl
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1/25/2007  9:49 AM
>>we have to many stupid basketball players

Briggs - the correct word should have been "too"
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BlueSeats
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1/25/2007  10:02 AM
With a lot of the better teams quick decision making is evident. You know, like when guys get a rebound they quickly get it to the right guy, or touch passes into the interior, or getting a steal and quickly pushing it up-court to the runner.

It's so rare to see that on our team. Our guys hold the ball and look around, they wait for the defense to set rather than imposing their will, they go one-on-one in traffic etc.

When one speaks of IQ it suggests intelligence, which probably isn't accurate, it's closer to an intuitiveness that is lacking. Lee is the one guy who does seem to make fast decisions, like he knows what he'll do with the ball before he gets it, otherwise his read upon getting the ball is extremely fast.

But who else on this squad can that be said about? Q might be the next best in that regard, then I think it falls off dramatically.
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1/25/2007  10:07 AM
I think Steph has a tremendous bball IQ, but has an agenda about how he wants to play. But the guy is a natural.
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1/25/2007  10:15 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I think Steph has a tremendous bball IQ, but has an agenda about how he wants to play. But the guy is a natural.



I always thought Steph BB IQ was kinda low.
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BlueSeats
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1/25/2007  10:18 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I think Steph has a tremendous bball IQ, but has an agenda about how he wants to play. But the guy is a natural.


I don't know about that. Why did he have to struggle so many years to find his game in the flow of an offense? Remember all the games he'd play one style for one half and another for the other? What about the years of not knowing how to fight over a screen? And do you really trust his decision making and clock management in the waning moments of close games?
misterearl
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1/25/2007  10:19 AM
I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me



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Solace
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1/25/2007  10:20 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me

I wish the IQ of UK posters could be measured by one's ability to use the quote button, but that's just me.
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BlueSeats
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1/25/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me

Who says it's arbitrary? This may not apply to you, but some of us actually watch the games.

djsunyc
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1/25/2007  10:24 AM
Posted by misterearl:

I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me

i use post counts to measure it. and looking at mine, i may not only be the smartest guy here, but in the entire world...

Solace
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1/25/2007  10:27 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me

i use post counts to measure it. and looking at mine, i may not only be the smartest guy here, but in the entire world...

Next to Bonn (more posts).
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djsunyc
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1/25/2007  10:32 AM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by misterearl:

I wish the basketball IQ of UK posters could be measured with a valid test BEFORE the arbitrary ranking of player intelligence

but that's just me

i use post counts to measure it. and looking at mine, i may not only be the smartest guy here, but in the entire world...

Next to Bonn (more posts).

bonn doesn't count, he's across the border.
TheGame
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1/25/2007  10:32 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:

With a lot of the better teams quick decision making is evident. You know, like when guys get a rebound they quickly get it to the right guy, or touch passes into the interior, or getting a steal and quickly pushing it up-court to the runner.

It's so rare to see that on our team. Our guys hold the ball and look around, they wait for the defense to set rather than imposing their will, they go one-on-one in traffic etc.

When one speaks of IQ it suggests intelligence, which probably isn't accurate, it's closer to an intuitiveness that is lacking. Lee is the one guy who does seem to make fast decisions, like he knows what he'll do with the ball before he gets it, otherwise his read upon getting the ball is extremely fast.

But who else on this squad can that be said about? Q might be the next best in that regard, then I think it falls off dramatically.


One of the problems is that we have too many players that deserve PT and we still don't have clearly defined roles. Obviously, the situation is better than last year, but the coaching staff needs to decide exactly what they want each player to do and then train them to do it. Other teams like the Suns and Dallas have heady players but they also have defined roles and systems so everyone knows what everyone else is supposed to do. Our players are still trying to figure things out, which happens with a young team that has alot of players still trying to develop their games and find out what they can and cannot do. That is why I don't buy into the blanket statement that the guys on this team don't have a high bb iq. I think with practice, effort, and good coaching, several players on this team can turn into very intelligent basketball players. What we need is stability and a tight 8 man rotation.
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BRIGGS
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1/25/2007  10:35 AM
Posted by misterearl:

>>we have to many stupid basketball players

Briggs - the correct word should have been "too"

It has nothing to do with spelling. It means they are *not* smart basketball players. We have a lot of players who don't think the game. It has nothing to do with their personal IQ--they could be brain doctors for all I know. I don't think we can compensate for this
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misterearl
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1/25/2007  10:38 AM
Solace - most of what is written is not worth quoting in its entirety

why waste the screen space?

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misterearl
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1/25/2007  10:39 AM
except for djsu of course

he is my hero
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we have to many stupid basketball players

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