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1/27/2003  11:26 PM
So, who is rumored to be interested? The Knicks could put together a package of Charlie Ward, Travis Knight and Othella Harrington that would put them in the picture. Ward only has $2 million worth of salary protection on his contract next season, Knight has just one more year left on his deal, and Harrington's salary won't do any major cap damage. The move would allow the Cavs to clear about $5 million in additional cap room for next summer and $11 million of cap space for the summer of 2004.

This is from ESPN Insider. What do you think?

I know Zydrunas Ilguaskas is injury prone and has a history of foot problems but he's still only 23 years old and one of the better Centers in the league. At 7'3" he can score with his back to the basket, which is uncommon these days. He's not a great defender, rebounder or shotblocker but we get all that with Antonio McDyess and Kurt Thomas.

We're giving up garbage in Charlie Ward, Othella Harrington and Travis Knight. We won't need Ward next season with Milos Vujanic coming along. Trading him this season gives us a better look at Frank Williams. Also, it's not like we can't replace O.Harrington. He's just a throwin. And I won't even mention Travis Knight. He picked the wrong career. He should be a Backstreet Boy. He's just horrible.

Cleveland also get's what they want in the deal by clearing some cap. DO IT!
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1/27/2003  11:42 PM
I agree 100%. Z is a gamble, but it's a calculated risk. As you said, he is young. He is a fantastic offensive post player. With a healthy McDyess (who, after watching JO'Neal put up huge numbers in the East, I have no doubt could average 22 and 12 next year), and Thomas and Spoon off the bench, the Knicks would have the best or 2nd best frontcourt in the league, with Indy challenging them with O'Neal, Miller, and Harrington. They'd have depth up front, the move makes room for Vujanic, as you said, I'd do it.

Ilgauskas' contract ends in 2005, so it's not like its a Houston type contract, it'll be gone the same year as Spree and Thomas. I'd take the chance.
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1/28/2003  1:21 AM
Posted by BigSm00th:

I agree 100%. Z is a gamble, but it's a calculated risk. As you said, he is young. He is a fantastic offensive post player. With a healthy McDyess (who, after watching JO'Neal put up huge numbers in the East, I have no doubt could average 22 and 12 next year), and Thomas and Spoon off the bench, the Knicks would have the best or 2nd best frontcourt in the league, with Indy challenging them with O'Neal, Miller, and Harrington. They'd have depth up front, the move makes room for Vujanic, as you said, I'd do it.

Ilgauskas' contract ends in 2005, so it's not like its a Houston type contract, it'll be gone the same year as Spree and Thomas. I'd take the chance.
it's a big risk, but i'd do it too. plus - the cavs need a starting PF (cheap), a starting PG, and that's it. i'd see if we could get a second rounder or a first rounder tossed in to hedge our bets, if big Z's feet break down.
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1/28/2003  1:34 AM
One thing I don't agree with is the disrespepect of charlie ward. He is solid. I'm not saying he is something crazy but he is a good defender, who has a really good 3 point shot. He has played well in the playoffs for us for many years. I'm not saying don't trade him, I'm just saying, show him some respect.
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1/28/2003  1:35 AM
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1/28/2003  7:39 AM
I like big Z alot, but he isnt the type of center we need. Z is a scoring type center. We need more of a Vlade Divac who can pass and defend. Antonio will have the scoring bulk downlow. Having a bunch of scorers isnt gonna help the team.
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1/28/2003  9:59 AM
Posted by falcindor:

I like big Z alot, but he isnt the type of center we need. Z is a scoring type center. We need more of a Vlade Divac who can pass and defend. Antonio will have the scoring bulk downlow. Having a bunch of scorers isnt gonna help the team.

They should make the move if it is available. You don't pass on a 7'3'' center that has skills. Injury prone or not the guy when healthy is a good center and a big presence in the middle. Hopefully with a healthy Dice next year the team would become solid they could bring Dice along slowly and Thomas can later move to the bench when Dice is ready to go. This is a smart move if the Knicks can pull it off. If I'm the KNicks I would pull the trigger on this one.

It would be a first step at getting players that play their respected positions. A legit. center is a great start.
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1/28/2003  3:01 PM
Yeah, but I don't think they need Z's contract. Sure he's a legit center, but we don't need someone like him on the payroll. We could use a big body, plain and simple. Maybe a guy like Jerome James, from the Sonics, or Jamal Magloire, from the Hornets.

James is on the block, but I doubt Magloire is leaving anytime soon. I'm sure there are other guys I'm forgetting right now. There's plenty of great young centers out there, considering the Hilarios, the Haywoods, the Currys to name a few, but we'd have to settle for someone reasonable and attainable. Any ideas?
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1/28/2003  3:37 PM
His contract expires after 2005, the same year as Spree and Thomas. It's inane to talk about getting under the cap when Anderson, Houston, Eisley, and Spree will all be on this team in 2005, taking up almost the entire cap. His contract doesn't bother me one bit.
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1/28/2003  4:06 PM
Posted by Knicksfan1971:

NBA.Give us your short,your old,your injury prone.......

And Charlie's always been a Knick. I know he said some stupid stuff, but I would miss him.
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1/28/2003  4:37 PM
I think Elden Campbell this summer will be a focus.
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1/28/2003  4:50 PM
Charlie's a solid player, but Milos has said that he wont come to New York if there isn't room for him on the roster. This move makes room for him on the roster. Ward isn't a Ewing, or even an Oakley or Starks, he's been a Knick a long time and I love him, he's one of my favorite players, but this move helps for the future by opening up a spot for Vujanic (and giving him a European teammate) and gives the Knicks the most offensively gifted center in the East and one of the best 7 foot post players in the league.
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1/28/2003  6:52 PM
Posted by fmoran:

Yeah, but I don't think they need Z's contract. Sure he's a legit center, but we don't need someone like him on the payroll. We could use a big body, plain and simple. Maybe a guy like Jerome James, from the Sonics, or Jamal Magloire, from the Hornets.

James is on the block, but I doubt Magloire is leaving anytime soon. I'm sure there are other guys I'm forgetting right now. There's plenty of great young centers out there, considering the Hilarios, the Haywoods, the Currys to name a few, but we'd have to settle for someone reasonable and attainable. Any ideas?
jerome james is so much worse than Z. weatherspoon is better at center than james has been this year!
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1/28/2003  8:51 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

jerome james is so much worse than Z. weatherspoon is better at center than james has been this year!
Whoa whoa whoa. Where did I say James was better then Z? I said we didn't need someone like him, that is to say a scoring center. We need a big body who can defend, block shots, and grab some boards. And Z just doesn't cut it. His strength is offense, and we wouldn't need that as much, especially if Thomas slips down to the 4.

And James is full of potential. In 14 minutes per game, he's got 4 points, 4 boards and 1.6 blocks. In 20 minutes against the Rockets (Yao!), he had 13 points (5 of 6), 6 boards, and 5 blocks(!). In games where he's played more then 15 minutes, he's averaged 5.5 boards and in six of those seven games, gotten at least two blocks. I think if he was given the minutes, he'd be a good player for a team lacking size. The problem with him and Seattle is that they are busy grooming Peja Drobnjak (25.9 mpg), simply because they need more offense than defense at the center position. I think James would be great on the Knicks, especially considering the 3-point shooting team we've become. We'd benefit from his rebounding/blocking.

And, uh, at 7'1, 272 lbs., I think it's safe to say he'd be a better center then Spoon.

Now back to the Knicks game. Atlanta sucks! How does Spoon block Reef?

[Edited by - fmoran on 01/28/2003 20:53:27]
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1/28/2003  10:07 PM
I agree. Knicks dont need more scoring downlow. Z is nice but he is an offesive type player. He will outscore the opposition but he isnt a defensive stopper. Knicks can use a player like Jamal Magloire better who can clean house on the boards and block shots.
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1/29/2003  12:13 PM
the knicks need all the scoring they can get!
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1/29/2003  5:52 PM
In reply to getting big z would NY do better with Rasho. He practically begged to come to NY last summer. Isn't that why he took the qualifing offer for the t-wolves. Rasho has more moves on D and has good enough moves on O. I think he will take the mid level exception this summer to come to NY.
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