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djsunyc
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1/23/2007  2:58 PM
Time to give Isiah some credit

First of all, let me put things in perspective: this year's Knicks are, at best, a first-round-and-out playoff team.

And that's in the horrible Eastern Conference!

So unlike some people, I'm not going ga-ga over the fact that the team has played .500 ball since Nov. 29.

That said, it's time to give Isiah Thomas some credit.

Some folks owe the greatest "little man'' in NBA history an apology (he was better than Iverson, Nash, Cousy and Stockton, folks!).

Some need to down their plate of humble pie and admit that Isiah has done a good coaching job this season. Far better than Larry Brown did with these same Knicks last year.

Those of us who didn't believe the hype a few years ago are not surprised by this.

Despite reports and widespread sentiment to the contrary, Isiah was a good coach in Indiana. He got bashed for never getting the Pacers, who at the time were one of the youngest (if not the youngest) teams in the league, out of the first round.

But how have things gone in Indiana since he was axed?

Here are the facts:

Jermaine O'Neal blossomed into a star under Isiah.

Ron Artest blossomed into a star under Isiah.

Eddy Curry is blossoming into a star under Isiah.

Isiah has gotten Curry, who is averaging career-highs of 19.1 points, 7.3 rebounds and 34 minutes a game, to do what Tim Floyd, Bill Cartwright and Scott Skiles couldn't. Thanks to Isiah, Curry's in better shape, he's become a better passer out of the double teams, he's a better rebounder, and he's become a dominant low-post scorer.

Then there's Stephon Marbury.

Marbury has had more coaches than the U.S. Olympic team: Flip Saunders, John Calipari, Don Casey, Byron Scott, Scott Skiles, Frank Johnson, Mike D'Antoni, Don Chaney, Lenny Wilkens, Herb Williams, Larry Brown and Isiah.

I'm not saying Isiah's the best coach on that list (clearly, he's not), but it can be argued that he's gotten through to Marbury when none of those other guys could. He's got Marbury playing arguably the best team basketball of his life.

Isiah's draft record is obviously very strong (with the rebounding machine David Lee turning into a real steal), but his best attribute may be his ability to lead men.

Isiah has a way of implanting his personality onto an entire locker room full of players.

In Detroit, he made the "Bad Boys'' bad. Bill Laimbeer and Rick Mahorn weren't the bruisers they became famous for being before Isiah instilled that toughness in them. That whole team embodied Isiah's desire, grit and will to win.

Now, these Knicks are doing the same thing. Most of them would run through a brick wall for their coach, and there's little complaining about minutes, roles, etc…

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not calling Isiah a great coach (yet), nor am I touting him for Coach of the Year (that's ridiculous).

But I am saying that he's been getting ripped unfairly for far too long, and now it's time for a little balance and objectivity.

Some have suggested to me that Knicks owner James Dolan should give Isiah a contract extension this very moment. I say Dolan should wait. The players may be playing better because they're rallying around their coach, hoping he doesn't get fired. Why take that motivation away from them just yet?

If the Knicks continue to play this well for the rest of the season, playoffs or not, Isiah should definitely get an extension. I'm confident they will and that he'll be back, but I would wait until later in the season, if not after the season, to make it official.

This much is already official: Isiah's not the train wreck many have said he is.
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1/23/2007  3:07 PM
wow, a non Isiah bashing article... i didn't know those existed.
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1/23/2007  3:10 PM
Posted by TMS:

wow, a non Isiah bashing article... i didn't know those existed.

Time to give Isiah some credit

With respect to Renee Zellweger (Snacks, Craw and Eddy "I can't act" Curry, as well) he lost me about right there. I didn't read the rest, since it was based on a false premise.
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1/23/2007  3:12 PM
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1/23/2007  3:13 PM
LOL @ this article. At the very end Broussard took all the air out of his balloon when he says.......

Some have suggested to me that Knicks owner James Dolan should give Isiah a contract extension this very moment. I say Dolan should wait. The players may be playing better because they're rallying around their coach, hoping he doesn't get fired. Why take that motivation away from them just yet?

So basically they have no other motivation to play this game other than to save face. I'm not saying Zeke should be fired on the basis of his coaching job but let's keep things in perspective as he said. This team is 4-5 miracle victories(Memphis, Denver, Utah, Det, Charlotte) from having the same exact record as last yr against an incredibly weaker Division and Conference overall. I look at the team's performance so far no different than a player in a contract yr.

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-23-2007 2:15 PM]
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1/23/2007  3:40 PM
Chris Broussard is on par with Dave D'Alesandro when it comes to even-handed reportage.

True Blue - the team is also two one-point losses in the last five seconds from being 20-23. That is only three games shy of the entire win total from last season.

Nothing wrong with a little motivation.
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1/23/2007  4:11 PM
Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange Isiah fetish: "You heard that Yo?!?!? Isiah sez the Knicks don't play hard except when they are playing for Orphans with cancer!!#$#$"

oohah
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1/23/2007  4:24 PM
Posted by oohah:

Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange Isiah fetish: "You heard that Yo?!?!? Isiah sez the Knicks don't play hard except when they are playing for Orphans with cancer!!#$#$"

oohah



I don't get it.
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1/23/2007  4:28 PM
Posted by oohah:

Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange Isiah fetish: "You heard that Yo?!?!? Isiah sez the Knicks don't play hard except when they are playing for Orphans with cancer!!#$#$"

oohah

Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange love for Isiah: "I told you guys that this team would be better, we're only 5 wins away from tying last Browns mark! Playoffs here we come! Not one player on this team has a weakness. Extension for Isiah!"
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1/23/2007  4:30 PM
lol.
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1/23/2007  4:44 PM
Posted by martin:
Posted by oohah:

Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange Isiah fetish: "You heard that Yo?!?!? Isiah sez the Knicks don't play hard except when they are playing for Orphans with cancer!!#$#$"

oohah



I don't get it.

Yeah. He must be a big fan of awkward silence.
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1/23/2007  4:45 PM
An extension, an apology, he has just entered scoop jackson level....

Curry will only be a star if he tries on defense....

Comparing Larrys coaching to isiah is like comparing layden to isiah, one is just a little bit worse than the other but more entertianing....

I just can't imagine giving a guy an extension that has a team that usually gets blown out in the first quarter, there is something to be said for a team that focuses
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1/23/2007  4:59 PM
Did he write this article after the Heat game? If so, he got balls.
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1/23/2007  5:01 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Did he write this article after the Heat game? If so, he got balls.

i'm pretty sure it's a few days old
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1/23/2007  6:02 PM
I'll give him some credit. That Dale and Thomas Popcorn's some pretty good stuff...
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1/23/2007  6:39 PM
Well, to a certain extent the article is correct. IT has gotten the most out of Curry and he has gotten this team to focus on playing basketball. We have been in just about every game and as long as Steph is not hurt for an extended period, we should finish with about 38-40 wins, which is a significant improvement over last year. IT however has made some pretty bad FA signings, and I am not sure his FA evaluations have improved. I don't want another JJ-type MLE signing this summer. I don't want anymore trades that bring in washed up talent. I think IT has alot more to prove before saying he deserves an extension, but at the same time, I agree with the article that everything has not been all bad and there are some positives.
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1/23/2007  6:47 PM
Posted by VDesai:

I'll give him some credit. That Dale and Thomas Popcorn's some pretty good stuff...

Bwahaha. That stuff rules.
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1/23/2007  7:12 PM
Posted by oohah:

Isiah to the Press: "Tonight we are going to play extra hard to win one for the Orphans with Cancer!"

UK Poster with strange Isiah fetish: "You heard that Yo?!?!? Isiah sez the Knicks don't play hard except when they are playing for Orphans with cancer!!#$#$"

oohah

Funny stuff....Sad but true...



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1/23/2007  8:45 PM
if this was a bashing Isiah article, the thread would be 5 pages long by now. he's doing a decent job, we have some tough losses in the last week - only one of which they actually played poorly in.
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1/23/2007  8:53 PM
Isiah's obviously done a bad job as GM, but I actually am not crying for him to be fired because theres still a small chance in my mind that he can learn from his mistakes.

[Edited by - Slimpack on 01-23-2007 8:55 PM]
time to give isiah some credit (broussard)

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