It’s well documented that I only accentuate the positives, love Jamal Crawford, and have undying support for Isiah Thomas.

But all I here is we are moving in the right direction we have a young core and nice young talent and frankly I don’t see any of it, don’t really see a positive future, and lets face it Isiah is going to be back, there is no question.

I hear that we are competing, we aren’t in the Allstar break and here is what we should be focusing on:

1. 14 games we have lost by 10 or more
2. Jamal Crawford, can’t guard Gary Payton one on one and is a turnover machine, that has a big game 40% of the time move him for an expiring if you can
3. Jared Jefferies is the worst starting sf in the NBA
4. Isiah refuses to play Balkman his best on ball defender
5. Nate is undersized and out of control, has a nice jump shot, but to often is not mentally prepared to play
6. Channing Frye is a huge ***** and when he was bodied by Morning last night didn’t even challenge him, just stayed out of the lane
7. Eddy Curry doesn’t ever try on defense, how easy was it to blk the first shot of the game? He never rotates
8. We come out flat every first quarter and often look disinterested.
9. Isiah doesn’t know how to make a cost efficient signing, or a cost efficient trade

If progress is making the playoffs in a division where Chris Bosh was injured, Kristic is gone for the season, Jefferson has missed a ton of time, and there is no Paul Pierce, then we are in severe trouble.

Posted by MS:

It’s well documented that I only accentuate the positives, love Jamal Crawford, and have undying support for Isiah Thomas.

But all I here is we are moving in the right direction we have a young core and nice young talent and frankly I don’t see any of it, don’t really see a positive future, and lets face it Isiah is going to be back, there is no question.

I hear that we are competing, we aren’t in the Allstar break and here is what we should be focusing on:

1. 14 games we have lost by 10 or more
2. Jamal Crawford, can’t guard Gary Payton one on one and is a turnover machine, that has a big game 40% of the time move him for an expiring if you can
3. Jared Jefferies is the worst starting sf in the NBA
4. Isiah refuses to play Balkman his best on ball defender
5. Nate is undersized and out of control, has a nice jump shot, but to often is not mentally prepared to play
6. Channing Frye is a huge ***** and when he was bodied by Morning last night didn’t even challenge him, just stayed out of the lane
7. Eddy Curry doesn’t ever try on defense, how easy was it to blk the first shot of the game? He never rotates
8. We come out flat every first quarter and often look disinterested.
9. Isiah doesn’t know how to make a cost efficient signing, or a cost efficient trade

If progress is making the playoffs in a division where Chris Bosh was injured, Kristic is gone for the season, Jefferson has missed a ton of time, and there is no Paul Pierce, then we are in severe trouble.

You forgot to mention A.I. and Webber have been traded from Philly

I judge progress by NBA level starters that can really be important for your future....

If your going to spend hundreds of millions to assemble a team, taking on contracts in order to do so, then make sure you have good parts for the future.....

Frye is a fringe starter

Curry, Lee are starters

Whats been progress TMS

Buying out players to solidfy your rotation and making Curry the focal point of the offense, David Lee working his ass off out there. Thats all I see

I agree with some of your statements but,

Balkman would be a great breath of fresh air, but Isiah misused the mid-level again and now we are forced to watch another inept player that doesn't deserve minutes.....thats not really progress....

You can't attribute Q to Isiah, he is his own man and had a year from hell that was mentally draining, he has been playing the way we thought he was supposed to....

Lee was close to this player last year but didn't get the minutes, if you want credit for the draft pick i will shake brandon shurs hand, he was the steal of the draft with monte ellis

Curry has shown great strides on offense and become a force, but he is so bad on defense and he just doesn't try to do anything else but score......you could see early on when he is not the focal point he just drifts away and could care less thats a real problem

Marbury I am very happy with, but you wouldn't see this progress with Francis he would still be sulking had he not finally be give the consistent minutes, and i really attribut it to a number of things not associated with isiah, his image was in the dumps, his respect around the league, public statements by teammates after being in the league 10 years you look at yourself and realize i have never really accomplished anything as a teammate you chance..........

Isiah's responsible for bringing Q here, so to say he doesn't deserve any credit for the progress Q's shown is a little nitpicky, wouldn't you say?

same goes for Balkman, though i do agree w/u that he needs to give him more minutes than he's been seeing, & i agree w/u that Jefferies has proven himself to be a bad signing now that we've seen his impact, or more fittingly the lack thereof, on the games he plays in.

& to say that Isiah doesn't deserve any credit for picking D Lee when it was ultimately up to him to make the choice is also very nitpicky IMO... he also hired Brendan Suhr, did he not? or does he not get credit for that either?

as for Marbury, trust me, i would much rather not see him wearing a Knicks uniform, cuz no matter how good he's been playing of late, i think we need a guy who's more of a true orchestrator rather than a scorer like Steph... but i can't complain about his change of attitude now no matter how long it took him to finally get the fact that he needed to squash his overinflated ego for the betterment of the team... we'll see how long it lasts this time around, but so far as long as Isiah's his coach, i don't see him getting into public lashing out at the coaching the way he's done in the past... maybe Isiah deserves some credit for that in a sense, though i'd have much preferred he never brought him here to begin with, but what's done is done & i'm done complaining about that decision.

so far this season, i can honestly say i'm having more fun watching games & this team is alot more interesting to me than it was last year... mainly because of Curry & Lee, but also because of the fact that there no longer is the off the court circus surrounding this team the way there was last year & i can finally focus on watching the games instead of reading about what's going on in the lockerroom... whether or not i want Isiah here past this season, it really doesn't matter cuz Dolan's gonna do what he's gonna do... all i can hope for right now is that Curry & Lee keep improving as players, & that Marbury doesn't have a relapse of his Schizophrenic nature.

If Q's back goes out we are ****ed.......seriously keep that in mind

Posted by MS:

If Q's back goes out we are ****ed.......seriously keep that in mind

So the Marbs legs...
It looks like we are ****ed already.
Getting 2 aging point-guards with serious legs problems and SG with bad back along with 2 out of shape centers and one out-of control injury prone SF is unprecedented failure... Isn’t it?
I am not talking about another center which is playing like SG and small man plating like a big-time clown
We have only one complete NBA player on this team and he is still learning the game.
Thanks Isaiah. Thank you very much

we have shown progress since last years disaster.. but we have not shown enough progress since Isiah took over.

Posted by Elite:

we have shown progress since last years disaster.. but we have not shown enough progress since Isiah took over.

Did you expect the team to finish with 22wins honestly? Last yr shouldn't even exist to most reasonable and realistic fans. It was a revolt from the start which set the team back another yr. To be honest even if the team won 35gms under LB last yr that would have been unacceptable IMO. They may not make that win mark.

Isiah's responsible for bringing Q here, so to say he doesn't deserve any credit for the progress Q's shown is a little nitpicky, wouldn't you say?

Did you even see him play before he came to NY? What your seeing this year is vintage Q the things he was doing with the Clippers.

please, spare me... i was 1 of the few who was begging for the Knicks to trade for the guy back then when everyone was all over the jocks of more conventional 2G's who are more strictly perimeter shooters & slasher types... joec can attest to that one, we used to gush over Q Rich all the time... doesn't mean i ever thought he'd be the leader that he's shown himself to be, or the physical defender either... i ALWAYS knew he was a great post up G & 1 of the best rebounding G's in the game.

to say that Isiah doesn't deserve any credit for picking D Lee when it was ultimately up to him to make the choice is also very nitpicky IMO... he also hired Brendan Suhr, did he not? or does he not get credit for that either?

Im in the school of thought that things like hustle and rebounding strictly falls at a players feet. The same way I wouldn't attribute Curry's lacking of rebounding is the same reason why I say Lee has gotten better because he made some serious improvements over the off season.

& i'm in the school of thought that says things like hustle & rebounding, while obviously it does fall at the feet of the players, is helped along by coaching proper positioning on the floor & instilling of the proper attitude during practice... & that falls at the feet of the coaches.

so far this season, i can honestly say i'm having more fun watching games & this team is alot more interesting to me than it was last year...

Wow imagine if the Knicks were actually good.

yeah, that would be nice... i never said i was happy w/the team's performance, just that i do see some progress whereas some are too blinded to see it cuz of their disgust at Isiah's past mistakes.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-23-2007 1:25 PM]

dude, u don't need to do a rundown of all Isiah's past mistakes every time we start talking about him... i'm well aware of all that & i think i've repeatedly said i think he's done a bad job overall as the GM... do we have to rehash all that everytime?

this is about progress on THIS year's team... we're not talking about how much the team has improved in general under Isiah's tenure... the simple answer to that question is to look at the W-L record compared to before he got here.

as for being realistic, i think i AM being realistic here... maybe you're expecting a little too much out of this team this season? i said going into this year that i expected a 36 win type year & for the younger guys to show me that they had longterm futures on this team by a noticeable improvement in their games... i've seen that so far in Lee & Curry & it's good to see.

i had no expecations to make the playoffs or to win the division... THAT'S being realistic... the fact that the division stinks right now doesn't change the fact that i still expect this team to be a 36 win type team the way that it's currently constructed... am i happy about that? obviously not... but that's the REALITY of the situation, & i'm trying to focus on what i expected going into this season rather than what ideally i would like to see out of this team.

if you want to tell me that i'm being stupid for lowering my expectations, i challenge you to tell me what you realistically expected to see out of this team this year that the reality has been such a disappointment in comparison in your eyes... i don't think i saw a single projection of a 45-50 type win season from anyone other than maybe the most optimistic of posters here, & i know for a fact that wasn't you. (not that that's much a mystery to anyone)