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1/22/2007  10:19 PM
Channing Frye 14:00 minutes
Jared Jeffries 4:00 minutes


Isiah shows zero belief in these guys when we need to dig deep, but these are the players we let set the tone for the game.

When things are going bad and we need to play better, these two are always the first to go, but we allow the other teams starters at the two most talented positions in the League(PowerForward/SmallForward) go at these guys for 20-25 minutes per game.

Why oh why are we worried about sending the wrong message to two players who:
Don't finish games
Usually have zero impact on most of the teams wins
Don't play more then 25minutes a game
Don't Usually do what they are on the team to do.(Frye can't score because of curry and JJ2 stinks!!!!!!)
Don't even build their confidence up because they always get pulled so the "Best Team" we have can play.

I give up. I'll drop talking about this and except that I have no control over this. The Bench energy is more important then playing our best team. THe bench scoring is more important then playing our best team. Having a back up point for when Marbury needs a blow is more important then playing our best team. I understand that now. Lee and JC are not productive off the bench, but it is better for the team.
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1/22/2007  10:21 PM
that's one reason why we should trade frye. but no, bring that up and you're called an impatient hater.
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1/22/2007  10:24 PM
We know Jeffries sucks. Frye should be better.
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1/22/2007  10:25 PM
Jared "The Difference Maker" Jeffries got 4 more minutes than Big Snacks.
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1/22/2007  10:48 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

that's one reason why we should trade frye. but no, bring that up and you're called an impatient hater.

IMPATIENT HATER!

Last year it was Browns fault for not playing him, this year it's Isiah's fault for not playing him. Maybe it's just that Frye isn't what this team needs. His value is slowly decreasing and pretty soon we are going to have Loren Woods v2.0 on our hands. That may be a bit harsh but honestly, it's not far off.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but this was our LOTTERY PICK last year, he was a lottery pick and he is hardly even played in the 2nd half of games.

He needs to be moved for a wing and soon because at this rate Isiah will have his value in the dumpster.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-22-2007 10:49 PM]
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1/22/2007  10:55 PM
Isiah is sabotaging this team.
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Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by djsunyc:

that's one reason why we should trade frye. but no, bring that up and you're called an impatient hater.

IMPATIENT HATER!

Last year it was Browns fault for not playing him, this year it's Isiah's fault for not playing him. Maybe it's just that Frye isn't what this team needs. His value is slowly decreasing and pretty soon we are going to have Loren Woods v2.0 on our hands. That may be a bit harsh but honestly, it's not far off.

I'm sorry if that sounds harsh but this was our LOTTERY PICK last year, he was a lottery pick and he is hardly even played in the 2nd half of games.

He needs to be moved for a wing and soon because at this rate Isiah will have his value in the dumpster.



[Edited by - nyk4ever on 01-22-2007 10:49 PM]

I think IT himself already in the dumpster - why not to create the company for himself...
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1/23/2007  9:52 AM
The only good thing that can come from this game is David Lee and Jamal Crawford going back into the starting lineup. After the fight we had to depended on our players who produced. It wasn't Q, even though he is a very good player, whom we depended on. It wasn't Frye who is a good player, but can't bring anything to the team when Curry is on the floor because they get in each others way, that we depended on. It wasn't Jared Jeffries, who is a bench player that does not shut down anybody, making his zero offensive capablitlies too much to over come.

It was Marbuy, Crawford,Lee,Curry that we leaned on during that streak. And dispite what faults or things anybody wishes these would do different, at the end of the day they always put us in a postion to WIN. And everybody knew Marbury was hurt and wasn't going to bring what he has been doingover the last month............... so who do you think was going to carry the team??? JJ2 Defence, Fryes jumpshot???? Hell, Crawford get's killed talking the 3's Q was forced to take in the first quarter. But you know what, when Don't get KILED 40-12 when Crawford is in the Offense with Marbury.
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1/28/2007  6:37 PM
Frye man.................... go to Isiah and say,"starting me and only giving me 10 minutes ain't helping me. Riding the bench and watch Lee everytime we enter cruch time aint helping me."
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1/28/2007  7:08 PM
Very pleased that since that game, JJ2 has been benched for Crawford and Q moved over. Which is start, now here are with Isiah job on the line with the next two moves. Frye needs to go to the second unit, Isiah plays him the first 7 mins of every half and those are the times when we are loseing these games. How much sense does it make to lean on Lee for 34 minutes, 17 mintuse continously to cover for an 8minute strench of the the halves????
And just what bum JJ2 is............ he is down to two minutes a game. Everybody knows he has to play, but don't just throw Balkman minutes when he completely fails. We need to now work balkman into the rotation so we get his energy(the reason you are keeping Lee out of the starting lineup) off the bench.

Everybody on the team had an off night tonight not named Lee or Curry(Crawford came alive in the fourth). Im telling you, So many of these games get lost because of the fact we don't start the game with other best lineup. We always set a slow tone in the first and third quarters, and until I see Lee in the starting Line fail........................... it's always Frye being in the lineup that I blame for games like this. Isiah is going to be the death of me.:(

[Edited by - anji on 01-28-2007 7:09 PM]
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1/28/2007  7:11 PM
Lee's PT has nothing to do with Frye. Frye is playing a certain role on the team that is totally different from Lee's.

Everyone is getting so upset as if Isiah is holding back Lee! Isn't it strange that he is playing so well? I wish Isiah could sabotage every player on the team like he has Lee!

I want Lee starting too, albeit in front of JJ. But maybe that isn't such a good idea, after all Lee is flourishing as utilized, isn't he?

Would Lee look so good if he had to start the game off guarding Jermaine O'neal and maybe picks up 2 fouls in a minute like Frye did? Or are you all of the belief that Lee will just go crazy playing defense against starters at the most stacked position in the league?

Maybe Lee's being played against the proper matchups? Maybe we should not be arguing against the best consistent situation the Knicks have going?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 28-01-2007 7:12 PM]
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1/28/2007  7:28 PM
Posted by oohah:

Lee's PT has nothing to do with Frye. Frye is playing a certain role on the team that is totally different from Lee's.

Everyone is getting so upset as if Isiah is holding back Lee! Isn't it strange that he is playing so well? I wish Isiah could sabotage every player on the team like he has Lee!

I want Lee starting too, albeit in front of JJ. But maybe that isn't such a good idea, after all Lee is flourishing as utilized, isn't he?

Would Lee look so good if he had to start the game off guarding Jermaine O'neal and maybe picks up 2 fouls in a minute like Frye did? Or are you all of the belief that Lee will just go crazy playing defense against starters at the most stacked position in the league?

Maybe Lee's being played against the proper matchups? Maybe we should not be arguing against the best consistent situation the Knicks have going?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 28-01-2007 7:12 PM]


I think lee's numbers are even better when he starts though. and besides why not start him? he's better than frye. I think lee makes up for the fact that frye has a better jumper by being better than frye in other categories.
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1/28/2007  7:29 PM
Posted by oohah:

Lee's PT has nothing to do with Frye. Frye is playing a certain role on the team that is totally different from Lee's.

Everyone is getting so upset as if Isiah is holding back Lee! Isn't it strange that he is playing so well? I wish Isiah could sabotage every player on the team like he has Lee!

I want Lee starting too, albeit in front of JJ. But maybe that isn't such a good idea, after all Lee is flourishing as utilized, isn't he?

Would Lee look so good if he had to start the game off guarding Jermaine O'neal and maybe picks up 2 fouls in a minute like Frye did? Or are you all of the belief that Lee will just go crazy playing defense against starters at the most stacked position in the league?

Maybe Lee's being played against the proper matchups? Maybe we should not be arguing against the best consistent situation the Knicks have going?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 28-01-2007 7:12 PM]

All that would be true if we didn't ask Lee to Guard JOniel with the damn game on the line. Lee already plays the majority of the game against those players and in crunch he has to play them, so that argument is false.
Lee plays about the last 14mins of every half. So Dlee can't do well starting, but you can continously play him from mid-way in the 3rd all of the fourth........... THen he is good enough to guard Oneil???LOL
The team now has Marbury, Crawford, Q, and Curry in the lineup........... THEY DON"T NEED A SEVEN FOOT JUMP SHOOTER. Whiich is most of what Frye brings at this point in his career. Lee already does the cruchtime of the game. Lee already does the bulk of the game. Why not out in the real Glue player of this team so that instead of trading punches with a underman Bucks team or letting a under man Heat team crush us, we have a player on the court that makes things happen. Lee is more then a rebounder, when you accept that and what he does then you feel the same about. Why are we making up for slow starts when we have DaWhite on the bench????

[Edited by - anji on 01-28-2007 7:32 PM]
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Posted by Anji:
Posted by oohah:

Lee's PT has nothing to do with Frye. Frye is playing a certain role on the team that is totally different from Lee's.

Everyone is getting so upset as if Isiah is holding back Lee! Isn't it strange that he is playing so well? I wish Isiah could sabotage every player on the team like he has Lee!

I want Lee starting too, albeit in front of JJ. But maybe that isn't such a good idea, after all Lee is flourishing as utilized, isn't he?

Would Lee look so good if he had to start the game off guarding Jermaine O'neal and maybe picks up 2 fouls in a minute like Frye did? Or are you all of the belief that Lee will just go crazy playing defense against starters at the most stacked position in the league?

Maybe Lee's being played against the proper matchups? Maybe we should not be arguing against the best consistent situation the Knicks have going?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 28-01-2007 7:12 PM]

All that would be true if we didn't ask Lee to Guard JOniel with the damn game on the line. Lee already plays the majority of the game against those players and in crunch he has to play them, so that argument is false.
Lee plays about the last 14mins of every half. So Dlee can't do well starting, but you can continously play him from mid-way in the 3rd all of the fourth........... THen he is good enough to guard Oneil???LOL
The team now has Marbury, Crawford, Q, and Curry in the lineup........... THEY DON"T NEED A SEVEN FOOT JUMP SHOOTER. Whiich is most of what Frye brings at this point in his career. Lee already does the cruchtime of the game. Lee already does the bulk of the game. Why not out in the real Glue player of this team so that instead of trading punches with a underman Bucks team or letting a under man Heat team crush us, we have a player on the court that makes things happen. Lee is more then a rebounder, when you accept that and what he does then you feel the same about. Why are we making up for slow starts when we have DaWhite on the bench????

[Edited by - anji on 01-28-2007 7:32 PM]

Lee was on O'neal well after Frye and Curry had had their turns against him. Another thing you might remember about that game is that Lee did not stop O'Neal any more than the other guys did.

I don't agree that Lee see more of/most of the time against the other team's starting PF. He is put on the small forward more frequently than the other team's PF. I think IT is helping him out in that respect.

And seriously do you think the real difference in losing to either of these teams is whether Lee starts and Frye doesn't?


Lee/Frye/curry = tall and versatile frontline.

Lee/Curry/JJ = no shooting frontline.

Lee/Curry/Q = too short frontline.

Lee/Curry/Frye/Q/Marbury = my lineup of choice.

Like I said, I want Lee starting at SF, but it's hard to complain when he is playing well in the role he has been playing all season.

oohah

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1/28/2007  8:05 PM
I'm suspecting a certain grudge match between Isiah and Brown, with Dolan perhaps the distinct audience for it.

For instance, perhaps Brown wants AD starting over Frye which sends Isiah whining.

Brown was grooming Lee at SF while Isiah seems to prefer him at the four, probably to allow for Jamal/Francis at SG, which moves Q to SF to compete with Jeffries and Balkman a crowded field.

I'm grasping at straws here but it seems like Isiah is hellbent to prove something to someone. Whatever his true reasons, they are hardly logical or transparent.
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1/28/2007  8:34 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by oohah:

Lee's PT has nothing to do with Frye. Frye is playing a certain role on the team that is totally different from Lee's.

Everyone is getting so upset as if Isiah is holding back Lee! Isn't it strange that he is playing so well? I wish Isiah could sabotage every player on the team like he has Lee!

I want Lee starting too, albeit in front of JJ. But maybe that isn't such a good idea, after all Lee is flourishing as utilized, isn't he?

Would Lee look so good if he had to start the game off guarding Jermaine O'neal and maybe picks up 2 fouls in a minute like Frye did? Or are you all of the belief that Lee will just go crazy playing defense against starters at the most stacked position in the league?

Maybe Lee's being played against the proper matchups? Maybe we should not be arguing against the best consistent situation the Knicks have going?

oohah



[Edited by - oohah on 28-01-2007 7:12 PM]

All that would be true if we didn't ask Lee to Guard JOniel with the damn game on the line. Lee already plays the majority of the game against those players and in crunch he has to play them, so that argument is false.
Lee plays about the last 14mins of every half. So Dlee can't do well starting, but you can continously play him from mid-way in the 3rd all of the fourth........... THen he is good enough to guard Oneil???LOL
The team now has Marbury, Crawford, Q, and Curry in the lineup........... THEY DON"T NEED A SEVEN FOOT JUMP SHOOTER. Whiich is most of what Frye brings at this point in his career. Lee already does the cruchtime of the game. Lee already does the bulk of the game. Why not out in the real Glue player of this team so that instead of trading punches with a underman Bucks team or letting a under man Heat team crush us, we have a player on the court that makes things happen. Lee is more then a rebounder, when you accept that and what he does then you feel the same about. Why are we making up for slow starts when we have DaWhite on the bench????

[Edited by - anji on 01-28-2007 7:32 PM]

Lee was on O'neal well after Frye and Curry had had their turns against him. Another thing you might remember about that game is that Lee did not stop O'Neal any more than the other guys did.

I don't agree that Lee see more of/most of the time against the other team's starting PF. He is put on the small forward more frequently than the other team's PF. I think IT is helping him out in that respect.

And seriously do you think the real difference in losing to either of these teams is whether Lee starts and Frye doesn't?


Lee/Frye/curry = tall and versatile frontline.

Lee/Curry/JJ = no shooting frontline.

Lee/Curry/Q = too short frontline.

Lee/Curry/Frye/Q/Marbury = my lineup of choice.

Like I said, I want Lee starting at SF, but it's hard to complain when he is playing well in the role he has been playing all season.

oohah
Yes. It's not about a single player, the teams production is so much better with Lee in a Power Forward. That's why when we are in crunch time we lean on the same line up night in and out, because it performs the best. Marbury, Crawford, and Lee are always 100 percent of the time on the floor. Some times you can get Cato or Rose in for Curry(rarely Frye) and sometimes Q is out for Balkman or Lee(it is never jared). So simple yet looks like it's going to cost Isiah his job trying to force Frye and Curry to work together.



Hell if anything if Isiah "protected" Frye like you say he is doing for Lee, how well would he perform against the other teams bench. Can you answer me that???
If Lee produces they same on off the bench or in the starting lineup, how much better would frye be off the bench???? Wouldn't that make the team better.
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1/28/2007  8:49 PM
We know Lee can suceed off the bench or starting. We have seen that Frye is very inconsistent starting so why not bring him off the bench and see if he can get things going. I would rather Frye be the 1st option on the 2nd team the 4th option on the first team. Frye strength is offense and bringing him off the bench will help him and the team
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1/28/2007  8:53 PM
If you remember Lee had better number than Oneal that night. Frye played 10 minutes that night and fouled out. I think Lee sucks defensively also but at least he competes every night. Frye doesnt and I wish he would.
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1/28/2007  8:59 PM
presike will probably kick my ass for this but frye, on this team, is brian cook. i'm not hating or anything. just look at how we use him. he's having problems defending. and when he's not hitting, he's been useless so far.
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1/28/2007  9:11 PM
and speaking of jeffries, what do you see in 2 minutes of action that tells you that you won't play him for the rest of the night? he's not starting anymore, but after 2 minutes off the bench, you've seen enough? talk about doghouse...
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