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1/22/2007  11:22 AM
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Curry, not Kidd, will be the man
January 20, 2007
It should be easier to figure out than the source of that foul, gas-like odor that drifted over Manhattan almost two weeks ago: As long as the Nets have Jason Kidd and the Knicks don't, New Jersey has the better team in this quasi-rivalry between franchises separated by 12 miles, a body of water, wafting vapors, and other things.

Like past playoff sweeps and NBA Finals appearances.

Not Friday night, certainly, and not overnight, either. Kidd, who turns 34 in March, is still at the top of his game. And he is always on top of his game against the Knicks, having gone 16-2 in regular-season games he's started against them since New Jersey got him in a trade that sent Stephon Marbury to Phoenix in 2001.

After Friday night's 101-100 victory over the Knicks, orchestrated not by the surgeon-steady hands of Kidd but by the 40-year-old right arm of Clifford Robinson, the Nets are 21-4 against the Knicks since getting Kidd, including a 4-0 sweep in the 2004 playoffs and five straight wins at Madison Square Garden.

But Kidd will not have Marbury and the Knicks to kick around much longer. From now on, the Nets vs. the Knicks will stop being about which side Kidd is on.

Instead, it will be about which team has Eddy Curry and which team doesn't.

It didn't look that way Friday night, when Curry - who had boldly called this a "must win" for the Knicks - managed only 14 points and 11 rebounds and attempted only seven field goals, making four. This was largely because the Nets had more people shadowing Curry than Joumana Kidd has had tracking her soon-to-be-ex-husband's movements and cell phone calls.

With 2.8 seconds left, Curry also gave up the winning tip-in to Robinson, a man nearly twice his age. His coach, Isiah Thomas, said Curry was victimized by "old veteran know-how ... That's a rebound we have to secure."

"We've got to find a way to beat that team," Curry said.

They will. If the Knicks have been forced into second-class status by the Nets these past few years, primarily because of Kidd, then the opposite is about to happen because of Curry.

In their four meetings last season, Curry averaged a Bambi-soft 10.3 points and 5.3 rebounds as the Nets went 3-1. He is a different player now, and at 25 has his best days ahead of him.

The Nets have lost center Nenad Krstic for the year with a knee injury, but have much bigger problems than that. Vince Carter is widely expected to opt out of his contract after the season. Kidd has two years and $41 million left on his contract, and there's no telling how long he will be able to continue his artistry.

More likely than not, Kidd will be gone before the Nets ever dribble a ball in Brooklyn, where they are scheduled to open the 2009-10 season, when Kidd will be 36 going on 37.

Lawrence Frank? Kidd, who some have suggested is the real coach of the Nets, is more likely to be strolling the sideline in a suit at the Barclays Center than Frank.

"The landscape in the NBA and everything else [three] years from now will be totally different than what it is today," Thomas said.

Who knows what will become of the Knicks by then? Marbury is four years younger than Kidd, who he outplayed down the stretch Friday night. But it's hard to imagine him sticking around here beyond his contract, which like Kidd's, has two years and more than $40 million left.

Thomas' status was day-to-day when the season began and has progressed to no better than year-to-year.

"We're taking some licks right now," Thomas said, "but we're standing in there and we're fighting ... As we continue to build this team and move on down the track, we'll understand better how to handle these situations."

So will Curry, who couldn't see through the disappointment Friday night that he is the new face at the center of this awkward rivalry. The story soon will be that the Knicks have him and the Nets don't. Despite the familiar result last night, that is the way the wind is blowing.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:27 AM
With 2.8 seconds left, Curry also gave up the winning tip-in to Robinson, a man nearly twice his age. His coach, Isiah Thomas, said Curry was victimized by "old veteran know-how ... That's a rebound we have to secure."

i would like to see Kelvin Cato inserted into game situations like that & the Wizards game when we're looking for a defensive stop... we need to have a shotblocker in the game.
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1/22/2007  11:31 AM
Posted by TMS:
With 2.8 seconds left, Curry also gave up the winning tip-in to Robinson, a man nearly twice his age. His coach, Isiah Thomas, said Curry was victimized by "old veteran know-how ... That's a rebound we have to secure."

i would like to see Kelvin Cato inserted into game situations like that & the Wizards game when we're looking for a defensive stop... we need to have a shotblocker in the game.

I think when Isiah pulled Curry, and didnt use Frye or Cato vs the Wizards he was trying to get a really mobile lineup on the floor. He had Lee playing center and Jeffries playing pf. I think Qrich was at sf.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:32 AM
18-24... something we can all be proud of!

Kinda weird to write an article about how much better the KNicks will be after they just beat us at home.
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1/22/2007  11:35 AM
Posted by fishmike:

18-24... something we can all be proud of!

Kinda weird to write an article about how much better the KNicks will be after they just beat us at home.

1) This is a positive article so why always go for the negative?
2) Clearly the writer is speaking about the future not now or the past
3) Is what he said about our 2 teams futures so unrealistic? Is it unrealistic that Curry will keep improving? He is barly 24 years old. Is it possibly Jkidds game will decline as he hits the late 30's?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:36 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:
With 2.8 seconds left, Curry also gave up the winning tip-in to Robinson, a man nearly twice his age. His coach, Isiah Thomas, said Curry was victimized by "old veteran know-how ... That's a rebound we have to secure."

i would like to see Kelvin Cato inserted into game situations like that & the Wizards game when we're looking for a defensive stop... we need to have a shotblocker in the game.

I think when Isiah pulled Curry, and didnt use Frye or Cato vs the Wizards he was trying to get a really mobile lineup on the floor. He had Lee playing center and Jeffries playing pf. I think Qrich was at sf.

yeah, it woulda been a tough matchup for Cato to guard Jamison on the perimeter i guess... but certainly in the Nets game Cato shoulda been in the game for a big defensive stop after a time out... i have ZERO idea why Cato is inactive in a suit while Big Turd & his big azz feet are in warmups on the bench... that is 1 of the maddening things w/Isiah so far this year as far as his coaching decisions go, along w/obviously not starting D Lee over Frye & letting Balkman waste away on the bench when he should be getting minutes.
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1/22/2007  11:43 AM
Posted by TMS:
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With 2.8 seconds left, Curry also gave up the winning tip-in to Robinson, a man nearly twice his age. His coach, Isiah Thomas, said Curry was victimized by "old veteran know-how ... That's a rebound we have to secure."

i would like to see Kelvin Cato inserted into game situations like that & the Wizards game when we're looking for a defensive stop... we need to have a shotblocker in the game.

I think when Isiah pulled Curry, and didnt use Frye or Cato vs the Wizards he was trying to get a really mobile lineup on the floor. He had Lee playing center and Jeffries playing pf. I think Qrich was at sf.

yeah, it woulda been a tough matchup for Cato to guard Jamison on the perimeter i guess... but certainly in the Nets game Cato shoulda been in the game for a big defensive stop after a time out... i have ZERO idea why Cato is inactive in a suit while Big Turd & his big azz feet are in warmups on the bench... that is 1 of the maddening things w/Isiah so far this year as far as his coaching decisions go, along w/obviously not starting D Lee over Frye & letting Balkman waste away on the bench when he should be getting minutes.

I also would like Cato in the Nets situation but I forget did the Nets call a time out? Was there a chance to get Curry out of the game. I know we didnt have a TO left. You know I watched those last seconds again and while Curry gets bashed it wasnt a clear case deal. What I mean is the shot came from the other side of the rim. Clif Robinson started outside the lane and came in with a running start and 2 nets were under the rim on the other side. Curry was looking at the shooter and 2 other nets and also trying to block out. If you dont believe me go look at the picture. Curry is actually the only Knick out of 3 Knicks blocking out but I dont even know if he knew robinson came flying in from the other side. I think his eyes were on the the other 2 nets including the shooter.
It sucks we lost that game but its a growing process. We usually get blown out by the Nets. We are on our way and its nice to see a writer looking at the big picture positively

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 01-22-2007 11:44 AM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:46 AM
yes, there was a timeout after D Lee's made tip in... i remember seeing Q Rich & Nate chest bumping D when he was coming back to the Knicks' bench.
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1/22/2007  11:49 AM
the nets are the worst nets team they've had since kidd has joined them. plus their missing krstic for the year.

that was a big game for us and it's a dissapointing loss considering how important all our players said it was. they played like crap until the final 5 minutes of the game.

the nets played like total crap too and vince damn near singlehandedly cost them the victory.

it's basic basketball, that i bet every single one of us do at the gym, when a shot goes up, get in rebounding position and box out. real simple. this guy has been a big man his entire life. it should come 2nd nature. this wasn't an old "savvy" vet doing a "savvy" vet move. it was guy that jumped right over another guy to tip it in.

and if he had a running start, then it's an over the back. he tipped it in and didn't even touch curry until he landed.

curry was watching the play b/c that's what he always does on defense, watches the play.
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1/22/2007  11:50 AM
Posted by TMS:

yes, there was a timeout after D Lee's made tip in... i remember seeing Q Rich & Nate chest bumping D when he was coming back to the Knicks' bench.

Well I'm with you then I would like to have seen a change for Curry although if you want him to grow you may have to take some chances with him as well. Maybe put Balkman in. Was Jeffries in? I noticed against the Pacers Jeffries was pulled in a defensive last second situation. I thought that spoke huge volumes
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:52 AM
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the nets are the worst nets team they've had since kidd has joined them. plus their missing krstic for the year.

that was a big game for us and it's a dissapointing loss considering how important all our players said it was. they played like crap until the final 5 minutes of the game.

the nets played like total crap too and vince damn near singlehandedly cost them the victory.

it's basic basketball, that i bet every single one of us do at the gym, when a shot goes up, get in rebounding position and box out. real simple. this guy has been a big man his entire life. it should come 2nd nature. this wasn't an old "savvy" vet doing a "savvy" vet move. it was guy that jumped right over another guy to tip it in.

and if he had a running start, then it's an over the back. he tipped it in and didn't even touch curry until he landed.

curry was watching the play b/c that's what he always does on defense, watches the play.

Now I know you wouldnt bash Curry and ignore the other Knicks on the play so please tell me which Knicks were boxing out on the play. You say Curry wasnt. So please go ahead and tell me which Knicks were. Do you need me to get the picture for you to remember?
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:54 AM
it was an isolation up top. all the other knicks are guarding their man. vince gets by jeffries to go to the hoop. jeffries forces him into a miss. there's only one other knick down low b/c the nets spread everybody else out. and that knick was curry who was guarding robinson.

vince goes up for the shot, and curry comes over on the baseline to watch. as the shot goes up, robinson creeps in and just jumps over curry who's just standing there.

no other knick boxed out b/c they were all out outside of the box guarding their guy.
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1/22/2007  11:55 AM
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yes, there was a timeout after D Lee's made tip in... i remember seeing Q Rich & Nate chest bumping D when he was coming back to the Knicks' bench.

Well I'm with you then I would like to have seen a change for Curry although if you want him to grow you may have to take some chances with him as well. Maybe put Balkman in. Was Jeffries in? I noticed against the Pacers Jeffries was pulled in a defensive last second situation. I thought that spoke huge volumes

yes, Jefferies was subbed for Jamal on that possession... it was Curry, Lee, JJ, Q & Marbury guarding Collins, Robinson, RJ, Vince & Kidd i believe.

oops, scratch that... House was on the floor & not Collins.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-22-2007 12:12 PM]
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1/22/2007  11:57 AM
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it was an isolation up top. all the other knicks are guarding their man. vince gets by jeffries to go to the hoop. jeffries forces him into a miss. there's only one other knick down low b/c the nets spread everybody else out. and that knick was curry who was guarding robinson.

vince goes up for the shot, and curry comes over on the baseline to watch. as the shot goes up, robinson creeps in and just jumps over curry who's just standing there.

no other knick boxed out b/c they were all out outside of the box guarding their guy.

That just shows me how delusionary your hatred makes you. There were 2 other knicks right around the hoop. I think they were Lee and Qrich. Goo lok at the picture.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  11:59 AM
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it was an isolation up top. all the other knicks are guarding their man. vince gets by jeffries to go to the hoop. jeffries forces him into a miss. there's only one other knick down low b/c the nets spread everybody else out. and that knick was curry who was guarding robinson.

vince goes up for the shot, and curry comes over on the baseline to watch. as the shot goes up, robinson creeps in and just jumps over curry who's just standing there.

no other knick boxed out b/c they were all out outside of the box guarding their guy.

That just shows me how delusionary your hatred makes you. There were 2 other knicks right around the hoop. I think they were Lee and Qrich. Goo lok at the picture.

and when did they come over? after the shot was already taken. and where were their men?
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1/22/2007  12:01 PM
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it was an isolation up top. all the other knicks are guarding their man. vince gets by jeffries to go to the hoop. jeffries forces him into a miss. there's only one other knick down low b/c the nets spread everybody else out. and that knick was curry who was guarding robinson.

vince goes up for the shot, and curry comes over on the baseline to watch. as the shot goes up, robinson creeps in and just jumps over curry who's just standing there.

no other knick boxed out b/c they were all out outside of the box guarding their guy.

That just shows me how delusionary your hatred makes you. There were 2 other knicks right around the hoop. I think they were Lee and Qrich. Goo lok at the picture.

and when did they come over? after the shot was already taken. and where were their men?

Their men on the Nets were infront of them. Go look at the picture. It was Curry vs 2 nets at the hoops with Clif robinson going over Currys back from behind
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/22/2007  12:01 PM
you win.
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it was an isolation up top. all the other knicks are guarding their man. vince gets by jeffries to go to the hoop. jeffries forces him into a miss. there's only one other knick down low b/c the nets spread everybody else out. and that knick was curry who was guarding robinson.

vince goes up for the shot, and curry comes over on the baseline to watch. as the shot goes up, robinson creeps in and just jumps over curry who's just standing there.

no other knick boxed out b/c they were all out outside of the box guarding their guy.

That just shows me how delusionary your hatred makes you. There were 2 other knicks right around the hoop. I think they were Lee and Qrich. Goo lok at the picture.

and when did they come over? after the shot was already taken. and where were their men?

Their men on the Nets were infront of them. Go look at the picture. It was Curry vs 2 nets at the hoops with Clif robinson going over Currys back from behind

curry had the rebound coming right at him. he coudn't keep spliffy off the boards and he couldn't grab the baord himself. we lost the game on that play. curry blew it. really that hard for you to admit?
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1/22/2007  12:08 PM
ok, just watched the replay again. and this is exactly what happened.

lee is guarding house on the perimeter. lee is on the right elbow.
eddy is on the bottom right of the box under the hoop with cliff behind him.
quentin is guarding rj in the paint.

vince goes by jeffries and quentin comes over to help. but while he's helping, he's still stepping back pushing rj back AKA boxing out.

lee turn and steps into the paint from the perimeter. that's why he's behind rj.

curry watches vince drive and just watches him miss completely forgetting about cliff behind him.

that's what happened.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-22-2007 12:10 PM]
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you win.


scratch that.

i win.
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