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1/18/2007  3:42 PM
Pacers To Flip Dunleavy For Maggette?
18th January, 2007 - 9:46 am
Beacon-Journal -
According to three NBA executives, the Pacers are already in talks to move Mike Dunleavy to the Los Angeles Clippers for swingman Corey Maggette.

Earlier reports have indicated a strong interest from head coach Mike Dunleavy, Sr. in his son, but that other members of the Los Angeles front office had reservations. [READ]

In all seriousness if thats the case why not offer them a future 1st round pick to make this happen....you move crawford for magette you get a bigger stonger person that you can pencil in at the two and play q at the three and he expires with marbury giving us some room....Dunleavy is terrible and crawford has a little more upside, you give them a younger more dynmic player....
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1/18/2007  3:45 PM
I'd do it. Only because he expires.
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1/18/2007  3:46 PM
If the Clippers want Dunleavy, it's because his father is coach. Crawford doesn't qualify.
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1/18/2007  3:50 PM
Posted by Solace:

If the Clippers want Dunleavy, it's because his father is coach. Crawford doesn't qualify.
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1/18/2007  4:06 PM
Clips are unhappy with Mobley. Want an upgrade at the 2. Craw might be a slight upgrade but not enough for them to pull the trigga I think.
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1/18/2007  4:14 PM
Jcraw needs to cut down on his shooting for sure but the team often runs better with him on the court. He picks up assists in bunchs often. He is the most imaginative passer on the team. 40 games in to the season he is still the only Knick to have even a single 10 assist game (he had 11) this year. I do not see Marbury as a consistent ball distributor. If we are getting rid of Crawford we better get another guy that can pass.
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1/18/2007  4:41 PM
Hey, new poster, but enough about me.

I've been kinda down on Crawford this year, because it looked to me like he had regressed. But then I started to think about Jamal's career and noticed two trends.

1)He has had a new coach and new system to learn every year he has been in the league.

2)He seems to play at a higher level at the end of each season.

Now if you take into account that Jamal only played half a year of college ball and two years of high school, maybe it just takes him a couple of months to really understand a new coaches system. Since he has never had the chance to play with a coach into his second season with that coaches system, I think we atleast need to give him until the end of the season to see if he makes strides under Isiah and his system.

[Edited by - DaMan on 01-18-2007 4:42 PM]
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1/18/2007  5:40 PM
DaMan, i agree w/all that & i've raised the same exact issues before on this forum several times... but the people who don't like Jamal refuse to buy into any of that as an excuse to explain why he sometimes struggles to make good decisions w/the ball during games... they expect him to be a 42-45% shooting 17 ppg SG who plays defense every game, but they refuse to realize that Jamal isn't that type of player... he's a guy who can give you 30 & 12 1 night & then go 1 for 20 another... that's his game... i don't blame some people for not liking him, but to bash on the guy when he makes a good play that should have won a game is a little unfair in my view... he just happens to be 1 of my favorite Knicks because i like his attitude & love his talent.

welcome to the boards btw.
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1/18/2007  6:09 PM
TMS, thanks for the welcome.

Honestly, every team in the NBA has talent. it just seems like the teams who consistenetly do well have a system and style of play developed and honed over time. look at the spurs and pistons, look at the ewing knicks... the championship knicks... all these teams had a definate style of play

We haven't had that for many years due to the roster and coaching turnover. i know most people are against isiah (I've been pretty down on him too), but at least i see a system developing (the curry offense) and while i'm not sure if it will lead to a championship, i feel like for once I want our team to at least be given the chance to develop a system and chemistry for more than one year.

we can't just keep going through this new coach, new players, new team cycle every year.

As long as they play hard, let them have this season, give them another one to further grow as a team, no more changes. see if this frontcourt rotation is something to be built around. see if JC and Steph can run this system properly after having been given adequate time to really understand the nuances of it.

After that, those two seasons, then we can make a more informed decision about the future of the franchise. if we are making strides within this system as a team then we are on our way. if not, Then blow it up.

But whatever happens... if for Isiah or any other coach... we need to understand that one year (as an ultimatum is stupid).
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1/18/2007  9:06 PM
I'd do Craw for Magette without a doubt.....but the Clips don't need or want Craw. I like Magette, he's a good decision maker, defender(physical), and scorer.
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1/18/2007  9:14 PM
no injury prone maggette
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1/18/2007  9:20 PM
Maggette is a more well rounded player than Crawford. He plays better defense, boards and like Crawford can be a big scorer on any given night. Clips wouldn't do it.
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1/19/2007  7:39 AM
The problem with Crawford is that other than making the occasional big shot and a few nice passes to Curry, he brings little else to the table. He has one of the worst shooting percentages at the guard spot, he is turnover prone, has poor shot selection, and plays average defense at best. That being said, I think we still have to keep him, because he seems to be the only person on this team willing and able to consistently hit game winning shots by taking his man off the dribble. That is his main skill and it is one we really need.
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1/19/2007  9:49 AM
Word is that Maggette is a selfish prick and that is why its been tough moving him.

His injury and salary does not help.

He reminds me of Q and since we have that I don't see us moving in that direction.

Sounds crazy but I would trade Craw for Dunleavy. Why? Softness aside, as they both are for different reasons, Little mike is still young but brings some nice intangables such as moving well without the ball, perimeter shooting, and good passer. He is long and fundamentally sound. With as many creative types we have in the back court already, this is more about potential chemistry and team fit than just pure raw talent. It might have been easier to have done this with the warriers as Craw is a greyhound and would run well with Nellie.

I recognize Little Mike ain't a "1990's Knick" type player, but I see him as a H20 type (coaches son) with strong fundamentals that can do some "different" things than what we got on our roster.
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1/19/2007  10:21 AM
Posted by TheGame:

The problem with Crawford is that other than making the occasional big shot and a few nice passes to Curry, he brings little else to the table.

LOL... go back & check some of his statlines from this season... he's alot more than just an occasional big shot maker & disher to Curry dude... he's a very talented young player that's just very eradic... you love him 1 night & wanna pull your hair out another, but he definitely plays a big role in just about every game that the Knicks are competitive in.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/gamelog?statsId=3407
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1/19/2007  10:45 AM
TMS Crawford had to be your college roomate

November
16.5pts 3.2ass (2.2tos) 2.5rbs 1.0stls 39% 27%from three 33min

December
16.8pts 5.1ass (3.1tos)3.5rbs 1.1stls 37% 30% from three 38min

January
17pts 6.1ass (2.7tos) 4.0rbs 1.4stls 37% 31% from three 41 min

If you are very happy with his stats and lack of progression in his game, you can't keep calling him young, we are looking for the amount of time he has been in the league he should not be up and down and still have no idea how to play
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1/19/2007  10:51 AM
In the NBA this season he is 12th amoung sg in TO's

104 shooting guards in the league shoot a higher percentage, if you want to keep a guy making 10million in few years that shoots like that be my guest
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1/19/2007  10:52 AM
i don't know how many times i have to say he's an eradic up & down type player for you to finally get the fact that i understand this about Jamal... why you keep trying to convince me that he stinks is beyond me when i clearly don't agree w/u... again, take a look at some of the statlines he's put up in games this season & tell me he stinks... any unbiased judge will tell you that he's got a tremendous amount of talent, he just needs to learn how to harness it under the right coach.
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1/19/2007  10:55 AM
He is never going to have the right coach, we fired the right coach, and now have this ******* who isn't cocerned with teaching him how to play the game. Crawford recieves the blunt of my criticism partly due to Isiah allowing his game to go down the toilet.

He was molding the kid the way he molder iverson, snow, billups etc, now he is just another player that will never reach his potential
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1/19/2007  11:06 AM
Posted by MS:

TMS Crawford had to be your college roomate

November
16.5pts 3.2ass (2.2tos) 2.5rbs 1.0stls 39% 27%from three 33min

December
16.8pts 5.1ass (3.1tos)3.5rbs 1.1stls 37% 30% from three 38min

January
17pts 6.1ass (2.7tos) 4.0rbs 1.4stls 37% 31% from three 41 min

If you are very happy with his stats and lack of progression in his game, you can't keep calling him young, we are looking for the amount of time he has been in the league he should not be up and down and still have no idea how to play

crawford:

           games  fga    fg%    3fga   3fg%    
november:  17     14.2   39.7   4.7    27.5
december:  16     15.7   37.5   5.9    30.5
january:   7      17.0   35.3   5.9    31.7



eddy curry:

           games  fga    fg%
november:  17     10.9   53.0
december:  16     14.1   58.0
january:   7      12.1   67.1


jamal crawford is shooting 35.3 % from the field this month. 37.9 % on the season. why is he taking more shots than eddy? who's fga's had DIPPED this month?
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