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1/16/2007  5:04 PM
A few things on my mind regarding Lee. I'm wondering what you all think his capabality as a defender is. Good defenders aren't necessarily physically overwhelming and quick, some of them are just smart. Lee, though fast, doesn't seem to have the nature of a great defender. Maybe he will just develop later defensively.

Can he block shots? What is his standing reach vs. other players for comparison. He has great timing, that is a part of great rebounding but also a part of blocking shots, what gives? I wonder if he just doesn't want to waste that kind of energy as he puts so much into rebounding.

You got to start wondering how many shots he will block in his prime (if his main role remains). Looking at other great rebounders, quite a few started off just ok (I think Dennis Rodman was one) and then just exploded. He has the work ethic. I see 12 rebounds being his rate right now if we were playing him a bit more. Looking at how much he has improved and the head on his shoulders I see him getting better. I'll say w/in 2 years he can average 13 - 15 rebounds a game. Maybe a 15 and 15 guy (once he gets any kind of a shot he will get another 5 points there easy, the inside will probably open up as a result too. Sort of like "when it rains it pours".) How many of those have there been.

His passing is GREAT, especially for his age. This along with his mind is going to open up others scoring. 5 assists a game pretty easy in his future. I sort of see him as the Walton son over in LA who passes great and plays semi big. I see him getting a few triple doubles in his near future. He's got the 10 points and 10 rebound part down, almost a give. Just a few great games dishing out assists and he will get it. Need the right game/opponent though... at least any time soon.

Overall the guys future looks incredible, even with his current shortcomings.

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1/16/2007  5:15 PM
i think w/a little work & studying other players' tendencies, D Lee can become about on a par as Kurt Thomas defensively in the low post & on help defense w/better lateral quickness to maybe be a better defender against more athletic players on the perimeter... right now he's a little too light to guard more physical bangers down low, but that will come w/more seasoning & conditioning at this level.
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1/16/2007  5:25 PM
I look at Lee and I see a not as good defensively Buck Williams. He will never be the best player on the team but he will always be one of the most important players. Buck Williams was a great player. D Lee is a poor mans Buck Williams
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1/16/2007  5:31 PM
he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.
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1/16/2007  5:41 PM
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.
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1/16/2007  5:43 PM
Actually, Peter Vescey today described Lee as PHIL JACKSON.
Lately, Lee reminds me of Phil Jackson: Big shoulders, long arms and lefty, only David is anything but "awkwardly effective," as retired New York beat writer Joe O'Day used to describe Action Jackson.

Any day now I expect Lee to be appointed the designated defender of the in-bounds pass.

Plus, I agree that he is like Luke Walton, except Lee is a more prolific rebounder while Luke is a better scorer and passer (slightly). I follow the Lakers and everytime I watch them, I always see the similarities between Luke and David. Luke can shoot the 3-ball but it took him until this yr., his 3rd year, to do it. Walton is a triple threat with scoring now in addition to the boards and passing.
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1/16/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.

i can easily see D Lee putting up 16 & 12 w/a little more work on his offensive game & if he's given the opportunity to be 1 of the scoring options on this team... the physical comparisons as well as the intangibles of work ethic, hustle, etc. are dead on too... D Lee's got more hops than Buck did though, & he's a better finisher in the open court... he's probably a better passer too than Buck was.

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1/16/2007  5:48 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.


Not familiar with him. How were his numbers? (assists, TO, blocks, etc.)

Somehow, Lee strikes me as much more than his numbers though. I'm not sure we should be fooled about Lee's talent. This is a second year player putting up these numbers, not a high pick either. You know, he sort of can't be put in a box too easily.
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1/16/2007  5:54 PM
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.


Not familiar with him. How were his numbers? (assists, TO, blocks, etc.)

Somehow, Lee strikes me as much more than his numbers though. I'm not sure we should be fooled about Lee's talent. This is a second year player putting up these numbers, not a high pick either. You know, he sort of can't be put in a box too easily.

Buck was a very high #1 pick for the Nets. From his first day he put the NBA on notice that he was for real. He had the rebound instincts like Dlee. he had an eaven faster 2nd jump than Dlee. He was a bit of a more explosive finisher around the rim than Dlee. He was good for 15-18ppg and around 12rpg. I think he probably had around a shot block a game also as a Net.He shot a very high percetage just like Dlee and it was rare he would be more than 10 feet from the rim. He was a better defender than Dlee though. In his prime he was one of the best PF defenders
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  5:55 PM
By the way I think Buck was drafted right after Isiah
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  5:58 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.


Not familiar with him. How were his numbers? (assists, TO, blocks, etc.)

Somehow, Lee strikes me as much more than his numbers though. I'm not sure we should be fooled about Lee's talent. This is a second year player putting up these numbers, not a high pick either. You know, he sort of can't be put in a box too easily.

Buck was a very high #1 pick for the Nets. From his first day he put the NBA on notice that he was for real. He had the rebound instincts like Dlee. he had an eaven faster 2nd jump than Dlee. He was a bit of a more explosive finisher around the rim than Dlee. He was good for 15-18ppg and around 12rpg. I think he probably had around a shot block a game also as a Net.He shot a very high percetage just like Dlee and it was rare he would be more than 10 feet from the rim. He was a better defender than Dlee though. In his prime he was one of the best PF defenders

yeah, his game was alot like Carlos Boozer's on the offensive end w/much better defense... i don't think he was as good a runner & finisher in the open court than D Lee is now though... maybe my memory's just a little sketchy on him... i was just starting to follow hoops when he came into the league.

you have to think D Lee woulda been taken in the top 5 as well if people knew he'd blossom into the player he is now.



[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2007 5:59 PM]
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1/16/2007  5:58 PM
Buck Williams was no joke. I don't agree with the poster who said the Lee was more athletic. Buck was seriously athletic and could really get off the floor multiple times. He was still pretty athletic even on the Knicks. I remember one time he punched Jordan's shot about 40 feet!

Forget the Jumper. If Lee can learn to play defense like B Williams, keep him and don't let him go!

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1/16/2007  6:04 PM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by earthmansurfer:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by TMS:

he's a more athletic raw version of Buck Williams... good name to compare him with.

Well for clarification purposes I ws thinking Buck Willams as a Net when hee was a very good pf. He wasnt as good as a Trailblazer. But as a Net he was a 16-18ppg guy and good for 12rpg. I think they are also about the same size.


Not familiar with him. How were his numbers? (assists, TO, blocks, etc.)

Somehow, Lee strikes me as much more than his numbers though. I'm not sure we should be fooled about Lee's talent. This is a second year player putting up these numbers, not a high pick either. You know, he sort of can't be put in a box too easily.

Buck was a very high #1 pick for the Nets. From his first day he put the NBA on notice that he was for real. He had the rebound instincts like Dlee. he had an eaven faster 2nd jump than Dlee. He was a bit of a more explosive finisher around the rim than Dlee. He was good for 15-18ppg and around 12rpg. I think he probably had around a shot block a game also as a Net.He shot a very high percetage just like Dlee and it was rare he would be more than 10 feet from the rim. He was a better defender than Dlee though. In his prime he was one of the best PF defenders

yeah, his game was alot like Carlos Boozer's on the offensive end w/much better defense... i don't think he was as good a runner & finisher in the open court than D Lee is now though... maybe my memory's just a little sketchy on him... i was just starting to follow hoops when he came into the league.

you have to think D Lee woulda been taken in the top 5 as well if people knew he'd blossom into the player he is now.
[Edited by - TMS on 01-16-2007 5:59 PM]

Top 5 of his draft or any draft? Top 5 of his own draft in hindsight would be close. Paul, Felton, Deron, Frye, Bogut, Bynum all come to mind.

Buck was super fast and a great finisher so he was killer on the break actually. He was an unreal finisher on the fast break. Almost Bernard King like if you hit him in stride on the break in his prime.
Buck just did not have a lot of half court post moves. His points came on fast breaks or rebound put backs often.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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