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Chandler vs. Curry... draft of 01
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fishmike
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1/16/2007  2:34 PM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/jack_mccallum/01/16/choosing.sides.chandler.curry/index.html

Who would you rather have?
Each week, SI.com's Jack McCallum analyzes two players of similar talents and/or
on-court tendencies. (Contracts and salary-cap considerations are non-factors.)

They came into the league together in 2001 when the NBA's infatuation with high school players was at its apogee. The first pick of that draft was -- cue laugh track -- Kwame Brown. Tyson Chandler, out of Dominguez High School in Compton, Calif., was second, and Eddy Curry, out of Thornwood High School in South Holland, Ill., was fourth. (Pau Gasol, a better pro to this point than any of them, was third.)

Chandler and Curry ended up as teammates for four years on the Chicago Bulls, and more than one NBA observer was heard to remark: Between them they would make one helluva NBA center. Had changing on the fly been legal in the NBA, the Bulls would've been in good shape, sending Curry out to shoot, then racing Chandler into the game to plug the lane. (That would presuppose Curry could move that fast.)

Still, both are legit starting centers, Chandler in New Orleans, Curry in New York. Who would you rather have?

Curry certainly has the higher profile. He's the Knicks' first option, a legit back-to-the-basket scorer averaging 19.1 points and shooting 57.9 percent from the floor through Monday. Chandler, predictably, is getting only 6.4 points per game, definitely below what is expected for a No. 2 pick in the draft.

But Chandler is a big-time rebounder with 11.3 per game, fifth best in the league. Moreover, he gets 3.7 off the offensive glass, fourth best in the league. Curry is not a bad rebounder (7.3), but should get more for his size and frequently doesn't go after his own misses.

Neither player is a slick passer (which is putting it generously), and both turn it over too much. Chandler gets his points economically (he's shooting 62.8 percent from the field) and, befitting a good defender, blocks 1.56 shots per game, as compared to Curry's .59.

"Both of them needed more seasoning before they came in, but it's not their fault they got drafted," said one NBA coach. "Curry has more upside because he's much more polished as an offensive player, but, personally, I would rather watch CHANDLER every night."

So would I.
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1/16/2007  2:37 PM
This is going to be an even split. The people that value Curry value him for the one thing he does well. I doubt they'd value Chandler for not doing that same thing well, but being good in other areas.

Yes, combine them and you have a hall of fame center. Neither one is close to being a complete player, though.
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1/16/2007  2:38 PM
I'd prefer Curry, its easier to teach D than it is offense, and in any event, its easier to find another Chandler than another Down low monster.
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1/16/2007  2:39 PM
HAHAHAAA ROFL
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1/16/2007  2:41 PM
personally speaking, i prefer my C to be an offensive presence down low & draw double teams while opening up easier scoring opportunities for other players... if Curry learns how to pass out of that double team better, i take him easily over Tyson Chandler (who is a nice player to have no doubt also).

i would prefer that Channing Frye be more like Tyson Chandler to tell u the truth & get some blocked shots while defending down low... D Lee's awesome rebounding at the PF helps in that regard, but we still need a shotblocker to play alongside Curry to make it work.
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1/16/2007  2:45 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

I'd prefer Curry, its easier to teach D than it is offense

I'm not sure I agree. Can you think of any examples of an awful defensive player who got to be good with practice? I can certainly think of examples of good defensive players who improved their offensive games.
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1/16/2007  2:48 PM
Go ask Bulls fans. this isnt even close. Curry huge over Chandler. In fact on the Bulls board they had a poll and it was Curry huge over Tyson and Ben
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  2:53 PM
this mostly depends on the team fit, but if I'm starting from scratch I take Eddy. This pains me deeply, as I am choosing a guy that Gunnery Sgt. Hartman would have called a "disgusting fatbody" over Chandler, a guy who brings great effort every night, and a guy who shows up in shape to actually play basketball every year.

Still, what Curry brings is the NBAs version of a 98mph fastball. You can protect him with defenders on the perimeter (we dont). You can pair him next to a great rebounder (Isiah benched ours). You can do some things that can turn Curry into a force on a winning team (Isiah has yet to read these simple steps).

Chander certainly has abilities, and he can certainly impact a game. But to get the most out of Chandler your still looking for another stud to play him next too up front. Maybe a guy like Elton Brand. Heck, even David West as developed into a very nice all around player. Point is we are talking about pairing him with a higher level of talent than we are talking about pairing Curry with.

If Curry ever took his career and winning seriously he could quickly become a top 10 player. Of this I have no doubt. For anyone that plays sports, go put on a backpack with 25 pounds of books in it and tell me how it affects your game. Curry is probably 310-325 right now. If he played at 260-280 you might actually see the franchise player Isiah thought he was getting.
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1/16/2007  3:00 PM
Here are what Bulls fans think. Keep in mind most of these guys hate the Knicks, Isiah and Curry.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=611597
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  3:13 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Here are what Bulls fans think. Keep in mind most of these guys hate the Knicks, Isiah and Curry.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=611597

Nice to see Bonn throw in his two cents as a Knick fan preferring Ben Wallace and get ignored...
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1/16/2007  3:17 PM
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Here are what Bulls fans think. Keep in mind most of these guys hate the Knicks, Isiah and Curry.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=611597

Nice to see Bonn throw in his two cents as a Knick fan preferring Ben Wallace and get ignored...

LOL I had not noticed that but I did see the results of the poll were over whelming for Curry
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/16/2007  3:39 PM
Posted by fishmike:

this mostly depends on the team fit, but if I'm starting from scratch I take Eddy. This pains me deeply, as I am choosing a guy that Gunnery Sgt. Hartman would have called a "disgusting fatbody" over Chandler, a guy who brings great effort every night, and a guy who shows up in shape to actually play basketball every year.

Still, what Curry brings is the NBAs version of a 98mph fastball. You can protect him with defenders on the perimeter (we dont). You can pair him next to a great rebounder (Isiah benched ours). You can do some things that can turn Curry into a force on a winning team (Isiah has yet to read these simple steps).

Chander certainly has abilities, and he can certainly impact a game. But to get the most out of Chandler your still looking for another stud to play him next too up front. Maybe a guy like Elton Brand. Heck, even David West as developed into a very nice all around player. Point is we are talking about pairing him with a higher level of talent than we are talking about pairing Curry with.

If Curry ever took his career and winning seriously he could quickly become a top 10 player. Of this I have no doubt. For anyone that plays sports, go put on a backpack with 25 pounds of books in it and tell me how it affects your game. Curry is probably 310-325 right now. If he played at 260-280 you might actually see the franchise player Isiah thought he was getting.

Great post fish. I agree 100%.
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1/16/2007  3:45 PM
If that Bonn\Bulls\Curry thread makes one laugh this one should too

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=608331

[Edited by - TrueBlue on 01-16-2007 2:45 PM]
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1/16/2007  3:49 PM
Fish there is so much hatred in you against curry you can't see things realistically. Curry is in shape. Could he join the jerry rice training school and be in unbelievable shape? sure but he is in shape. You really think hes 50 pounds overweight?? give me a break. BTW i'm still waiting for you to explain currys "inflated #'s" in your post last week.
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1/16/2007  5:47 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by holfresh:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Here are what Bulls fans think. Keep in mind most of these guys hate the Knicks, Isiah and Curry.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=611597

Nice to see Bonn throw in his two cents as a Knick fan preferring Ben Wallace and get ignored...

LOL I had not noticed that but I did see the results of the poll were over whelming for Curry
What poll is that? The closest thing I remember is about a week ago two-thirds of the Bulls' fans said they'd do the Curry trade again because they thought they got the better end.

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1/16/2007  6:06 PM
this mostly depends on the team fit

What it comes down to.

Starting from scratch I would probably go with Curry as well. Its a lot harder to find a center with Curry's potential on offense in the paint than it is to find a player with Chandlers potential on defense in the paint.

Frye & Chandler would be a pretty good combo. Chandler wshould be a 2.5shot blocker I don't know how he is only at 1.6 with 32mins per game. But he deos alter a TON of shots and definatly does intimidate. The problem with Chandler also did seem to be an injury risk early in his career since he was so thin but he seems to have shaken that.
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1/16/2007  6:40 PM
Posted by BigRedDog:

Fish there is so much hatred in you against curry you can't see things realistically. Curry is in shape. Could he join the jerry rice training school and be in unbelievable shape? sure but he is in shape. You really think hes 50 pounds overweight?? give me a break. BTW i'm still waiting for you to explain currys "inflated #'s" in your post last week.
there is so much delusion in you your unable to see the obvious.

I like Eddy, think he's a good kid. I root for him to do well. I'm calling it like I see it. Sorry if I dont think man boobs and a J-LO ass are positives on an NBA athlete.

Curry is built like an offensive lineman. Great for quick busts of amazing power and leverage. Problem is after those quick bursts he as to run to the other end of the court. Thats where Eddy's greatness falls down a notch.

As for the "inflated #s" whats to explain? I have said it over and over again. 20/9 and 60% FGs is dominating. But Eddy isnt dominating. He's a dominating SCORER, but very far from a dominating BASKETBALL player. This is why despite his stats which paint a picture of an unstoppable player the Knicks still cant play .500 basketball for any sizable stretch of games.
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1/16/2007  6:42 PM
Sorry if I dont think man boobs and a J-LO ass are positives on an NBA athlete.

Curry is the hottest Knick ever!

oohah

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1/16/2007  6:43 PM
No wait, Sweetney was much more voluptuous if that is what you're into.

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1/16/2007  6:48 PM
Sorry if I dont think man boobs and a J-LO ass are positives on an NBA athlete.

LOL!! thats the line of the day.
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