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hey, is jerry krause a better drafter than isiah?
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djsunyc
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1/13/2007  6:06 PM
his draft list includes:

99 draft: elton brand(1), ron artest(16), micheal ruffin(32),lari ketner(49)

00 draft: marcus fizer(4), chris mihm(7), dalibor bagaric(24), aj guyton(32), jake voskuhl(33), khalid el-amin(34)
traded chris mihm to the cavs for jamal crawford
signed undrafted brad miller

01 draft: eddy curry(4), trenton hassell(30), sean lampley(45)
traded elton brand to the clippers for brian skinner and tyson chandler

02 draft: jay williams(2), roger mason(31), lonny baxter(44)

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-13-2007 6:11 PM]
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SugarRayRichardson
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1/13/2007  6:10 PM
You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
djsunyc
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1/13/2007  6:11 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause

those are all his draft picks from 1999 on (after the jordan era)
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1/13/2007  6:15 PM
Half those guys are busts and everyone he trades becomes an all-star somewhere else.

He traded away twice what he need the most now: Low post scoring: Curry/Brand.

And he traded rebounding, might as well have kept Chandler.

oohah

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1/13/2007  6:18 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause

those are all his draft picks from 1999 on (after the jordan era)

But he did not start drafting in 1999 so why only use that small smaple. Use his whole record.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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Posted by oohah:

Half those guys are busts and everyone he trades becomes an all-star somewhere else.

He traded away twice what he need the most now: Low post scoring: Curry/Brand.

And he traded rebounding, might as well have kept Chandler.

oohah

didn't ask if he was a good GM or a good trader.

asked about his drafting expertise. i guess if we get a new GM, getting krause as a draft scout wouldn't be that bad an idea.

his worst draft was 2000 - but that was the worst draft possibly in nba history. the players available where he picked are nothing to write home about.
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1/13/2007  6:18 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by djsunyc:
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You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause

those are all his draft picks from 1999 on (after the jordan era)

But he did not start drafting in 1999 so why only use that small smaple. Use his whole record.

b/c he drafted at 25+ during the jordan era where they won title after title.

his drafting ability really mattered AFTER jordan left, not during jordan's run.

why don't we ever question ernie grunfeld's drafting ability that didn't yield ANYBODY but charlie ward?
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1/13/2007  6:22 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
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You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause

those are all his draft picks from 1999 on (after the jordan era)

But he did not start drafting in 1999 so why only use that small smaple. Use his whole record.

b/c he drafted at 25+ during the jordan era where they won title after title.

his drafting ability really mattered AFTER jordan left, not during jordan's run.

why don't we ever question ernie grunfeld's drafting ability that didn't yield ANYBODY but charlie ward?
He did not always draft at 25 plus besides Isiah drafted Lee at 30. I'm not saying one is better than the other but I just dont think its fair for you to give 1/3 of his record. You already have 2nd round picks in there so why not Krauses other 1st round picks? He drafted Brad Sellers in the top 10. I know that.

I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  6:25 PM
Come to think of it after looking I see Will Perdue and Stacy king drafted very high as well
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Come to think of it after looking I see Will Perdue and Stacy king drafted very high as well

why bring up history? if that was the case, then you know who would still be around. it's always about what have you done for me lately around the garden, no?
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Posted by djsunyc:
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Come to think of it after looking I see Will Perdue and Stacy king drafted very high as well

why bring up history? if that was the case, then you know who would still be around. it's always about what have you done for me lately around the garden, no?

LOL you brought up history for both guys. You just chose to draw a line at a point that favors Krause. I think Isiah is good at drafting but not nearly as great as some other people do.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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1/13/2007  6:49 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

You left off a ton of busts as well for Krause

those are all his draft picks from 1999 on (after the jordan era)

But he did not start drafting in 1999 so why only use that small smaple. Use his whole record.

b/c he drafted at 25+ during the jordan era where they won title after title.

his drafting ability really mattered AFTER jordan left, not during jordan's run.

why don't we ever question ernie grunfeld's drafting ability that didn't yield ANYBODY but charlie ward?

UMM You are forgetting Monty MUTHACKN Williams!
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1/13/2007  8:41 PM
he did draft very well, but my god he traded Brand and then traded Miller/Artest for Jalen Rose. Jalen Rose. That might be the worst trade ever
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Posted by fishmike:

he did draft very well, but my god he traded Brand and then traded Miller/Artest for Jalen Rose. Jalen Rose. That might be the worst trade ever

Yep. I think Krauss did draft very well, and excellent points, DJ, but Fish's points are very valid. He traded away all of his great picks (Miller was picked up undrafted, right?). Imagine if the Bulls had kept Brad Miller, Elton Brand, Ron Artest, Eddy Curry as their core.
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1/13/2007  9:47 PM
krause is an idiot for trading away brand, artest and miller. if he didn't, they POSSIBLY could've won a title already.

but he DID draft them and that's what i'm trying to say. he would not be a bad nba draft scout IF we hire another gm. but that's it, just an nba draft scout.
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1/13/2007  9:52 PM
People say Isiah and now Krause would be good draft scouts but I can't imagine either taking such a low level job.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

People say Isiah and now Krause would be good draft scouts but I can't imagine either taking such a low level job.

krause right now is a minor league scout for the mets. he's not even in the sport.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

People say Isiah and now Krause would be good draft scouts but I can't imagine either taking such a low level job.

I agree with that. They've clearly shown what their strengths and weakenesses are, but Bonn is right. Once you hit GM, they'll likely not take a job more than one level lower than that. What you need more is co-GMs. Say one GM with good draft capabilities (Zeke, Krause) and one GM with recognition for talent, knowing when to make a trade and getting the best of any trade (Joe Dumars, Pat Riley, etc...). The lack of checks-and-balances is why we've struggled for so long.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 13 2007 9:56 PM]
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Also, notice I didn't get baited into the "is XYZ better than Isiah at ABC". It just starts a flame war, getting into those arguments, as there's a big rift on the board -- half the board loves Isiah, half the board wants him gone. Not worth the argument. Both GMs did well drafting, but fell way short on GMing.
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Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:

People say Isiah and now Krause would be good draft scouts but I can't imagine either taking such a low level job.

krause right now is a minor league scout for the mets. he's not even in the sport.
Really??? I guess I'm wrong then!
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