"Is it any surprise that Stephon Marbury has played better since Francis stopped playing and Nate Robinson was suspended?" asked one league executive. "There is a direct correlation between Marbury's performance and not having those guys around. I love the way Stephon is playing. Isiah's smart. He is doing exactly what Larry (Brown) wanted to do."

This is somewhat amusing because the knicks added a few more defensive minded players, which is what Larry wanted even though I don't like Jefferies and Dolan said Larry was crazy for wanting to buy out half the team!

Larry wanted 5 players gone:
Jerome James: Inactive half of the time
Mo Taylor: Bought out
Jalen Rose: Bought out
Steve Francis: Going to be bought out
Nate: suspended

It was no suprise last year that there was a mismatched roster and it created a lot of problems trying to find minutes for everyone. Now Isiah who made this ****ing mess has the luxury of buying out his mistakes.....

I just can't give the guy credit, even though the team is making strides none of this would have happened, had it not been for Dolans pockets and his tolerance to buy out mistakes. He brings in guys with bad attitudes and it ruins team chemistry.....

to be fair, the 1 thing Isiah's doing that LB isn't is getting this team to play like a team & not fighting w/each other in the lockerrooms... he's gotten them to unify & stick up for one another, which did not happen last year... also, these guys are playing like the enjoy the game again, which definitely didn't happen last year... they were so tense playing under LB because they figured the slightest mistake would result in them being benched, along w/getting irregular playing time...

now i'm no LB hater... i thought he was a great hire... it just didn't work out for various reasons... Isiah actually seems to be able to get through to these guys though.

it is extremely ironic though, that he's making the exact same personnel moves that he & Dolan said were impossible to make in their reasoning of the firing of LB... that i don't understand at all.

[Edited by - TMS on 01-12-2007 3:41 PM]

^^^Marbury, Robinson and Eddy are going to be cut too.



MS Larry wanted most of the team gone, don't cherry pick man.

There woud have been no need to cut Rose anf Francis had LB not begged for thiem inthe first place.

NO because he wanted to keep marbury or francis now, so it would have been perfect....LOL


Larry wanted most of the team gone. And looking at what Isiah has done, he keep the three players he hated the most, Nate/Marbury/CURRRY.



You dudes are too much.

When your center comes in grossly out of shape and doesn't try on defense and lapses the whole year, its hard to like him, however he did not say that he wanted him gone.......

Isiah the coach has a luxury most coaches don't, if there is a problem with a guy he gets rid of them and isn't responsible

Posted by MS:

When your center comes in grossly out of shape and doesn't try on defense and lapses the whole year, its hard to like him, however he did not say that he wanted him gone.......

Isiah the coach has a luxury most coaches don't, if there is a problem with a guy he gets rid of them and isn't responsible

For example, Trevor Ariza.

oohah

this discussion is going to have us running around in circles again.

they could've brought lb back and made some changes. they chose not to.
the knicks (dolan/isiah) were not truthful when they came up with some reasons as to why he was canned.

all they had to say was "it didn't work out and we wanted to move in another direction."

instead we get a 1/2 hour oprah special about critiquing players, waiving guys, blah blah blah.

just fire him and take it up with the commissioner.

now, guys like lb, you don't really get rid of them even if last year was crazy. they chose to do it.

i have no doubt that if they kept him, this team would be much better (compared to last season) but they didn't.

case closed. even i have moved on begrudgingly...

now it's on isiah.

[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-12-2007 4:43 PM]

Posted by nixluva:

djsunyc, you have to be kidding about LB. The guy CHOSE not to coach the team and he was looking for the door in training camp. He showed ZERO patience or any sincere passion for the job. I think it's impossible to mount any real defense of the guy. He acted like a fool last year and that had NOTHING to do with Dolan or Isiah.

He's been coaching way too long for me to believe that he was as lost for what to do, with this team as he made it seem. Now did he have a perfect situation... NO, but then he SIGNED the contract knowing the team stunk and that he'd have to roll up his sleeves and get dirty. In the end he didn't really want that.

dude, you seriously need to open your eyes. LB wanted Zeke gone and to expose the weaknesses of the team. Lot of things point to that.

With Marbury, Isiah is doing what EVERYBODY wants to do. Have him playing like a complete PG. Actually I wouldn't even give Isiah credit for Marbury. Marbury is doing it himself.

Larry Brown would have gotten everything he wanted if he wouldn't have acted like a dickhead and had a little patience. His old stubborn ways got himself humiliated and helped humiliate the Knicks even further. Then got himself fired.

You guys act like Isiah was holding back on these things just to put Brown in a position to fail. Taylor & Rose were getting bought out reguardless.

Anyway whats the point of this thread??

it's not the what, it's the how.

With the knicks playing well, it's interesting the reasons that are coming out of the closet NOT to praise the work the current GM and Coach have done.