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King1
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1/12/2007  10:43 AM
I will promise on this board to never get on Frye for not rebounding, if you will not go crazy on Lee for closing out on a shooter. After a fifth of Jim Beam last night, I agree that Frye and Lee need to be playing, and JJ needs to sit. He doesnt really bring that much to the table and we have two young kids that can be good players in the league and need 30 minutes a night.
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1/12/2007  10:54 AM
If Frye can avg 2-3 blocks per game and learn how to become a good post/help defender I have no problem with him starting over Lee... Untill that day, I think Lee should start
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1/12/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by Elite:

If Frye can avg 2-3 blocks per game and learn how to become a good post/help defender I have no problem with him starting over Lee... Untill that day, I think Lee should start

yeah...because Lee is a great post player and help defender.
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1/12/2007  11:40 AM
Made this thread to extend peace lol. Forgot I was dealing with NY fans. I dont think it should be Lee against Frye it should be Frye and Lee against JJ he is stealing minutes. He should be arrested for impersonating a basketball player
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1/12/2007  11:45 AM
Posted by King1:

Made this thread to extend peace lol. Forgot I was dealing with NY fans. I dont think it should be Lee against Frye it should be Frye and Lee against JJ he is stealing minutes. He should be arrested for impersonating a basketball player

Yeah, but neither Lee nor Frye can guard opposing players the same as Jeffries. There is no easy answer to the problem. IT knows that Lee can be just as effective off the bench as he is as a starter, so for now, that is how it is going to be. But I think JJ will start to see his minutes diminish soon. There is no way JJ should be getting 33 minutes a game. I would max him out at 25 minutes.
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1/12/2007  11:52 AM
JJ is not a shut down defender by any means and he is so bad offensively he bogs everything down. Name one guy he has shut down since he has been playing. How did the Knicks win with frye and Lee playing major minutes together and JJ was gone.
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1/12/2007  12:24 PM
When have I gone crazy on Lee for not being a shooter? I heap praise on the young man. I am 100% percent in his corner and want to see him succeed, and not at the expense of any other knick.

Now pass the Jim Beam!

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1/12/2007  12:26 PM
your right king.. im down with peace between Frye and Lee and War against Jeffries :)
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1/12/2007  12:37 PM
watching the philly game, JJ does the little things that help the other players...boxing out his man so curry can get the bound...hounding his man so he hurries a pass to his teammate and crawford gets the steal.

It's not about stats fellas, it's about doing all the things the stat fillers can't do.

lee is that same personality.

There is a plan and you really have to watch the games...every player makes a mistake that can be used as message board discussions, but watching the games, you really can see why Jeffries is starting and why Frye is starting and why lee comes into games to take out any of the 2 (and if curry is having trouble 3) players.

having that flexibility is a godsend and to keep trying to treat this like a video game or fantasy lineup is just unfair.

There needs to be a guy out there that doesn't fill up the stat sheet, but hustles to the loose ball out of bounds and while may not get credit for the rebound, forces the other player to touch it last.

As the season goes on you will really start to realize this more and more and like you are seeing in recent history, the knicks are getting better and it was largely forgotten that lee (with his hand bandaged) did not contribute to the box score as much, but contributed enough to help the knicks win.

once we stop looking at the box score to decide who starts, will be the day we realize that there is an actual coach and chalk board and plays are developing.

Qrich came off the bench, got 19 points.

Frye was hitting his shots in the flow of the offense and played a really great game. He doesn't have to worry about rebounding or the other little aspects of the game because of Jeffries contributions.

All things being equal, i prefer the lineup the way it's been the last few games and that lineup has been lee coming off the bench and frye and jeffries starting.

Crawford is streaky, however, if he starts out cold, loving QRich coming in at either the 2 or the 3.

We just have a plan and the plan fills in the flaws that are exposed at the start of the game.

This is real life, and there is a chemistry being developed...why upset the chemistry because someone is getting more "stats".

The sixth man in chi-town should be starting by our logic and he's not...it's not about stats fellas, it's about results.

and the recent returns are Lee is best utilized coming off the bench.
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1/12/2007  12:41 PM
Posted by King1:

JJ is not a shut down defender by any means and he is so bad offensively he bogs everything down. Name one guy he has shut down since he has been playing. How did the Knicks win with frye and Lee playing major minutes together and JJ was gone.

I am not saying he has shutdown anyone, but he has played better man to man defense than Frye or Lee. He just needs to learn to stop trying to score and keep the ball moving. I am not saying he should be starting, but if you start Lee and Frye, you are going to create defensive problems with teams that have a strong scoring SF. I think ideally Jeffries should come off the bench and either Lee or Q should be starting at SF.
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1/12/2007  12:50 PM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by King1:

JJ is not a shut down defender by any means and he is so bad offensively he bogs everything down. Name one guy he has shut down since he has been playing. How did the Knicks win with frye and Lee playing major minutes together and JJ was gone.

I am not saying he has shutdown anyone, but he has played better man to man defense than Frye or Lee. He just needs to learn to stop trying to score and keep the ball moving. I am not saying he should be starting, but if you start Lee and Frye, you are going to create defensive problems with teams that have a strong scoring SF. I think ideally Jeffries should come off the bench and either Lee or Q should be starting at SF.

If Jeffries could just get his shot going a little bit, or at least step in a couple of feet when he is wiiiiide open from 3 in the corner and the other team just leaves him, I would be a little happier with him.

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1/12/2007  12:52 PM
babyknicks,

i agree on JJ. i think he has a better impact than people give him credit for.

that said, i still don't think there's a good reason lee isn't starting. and when Q is ready it will be a tough decision to see who should come off the bench between him jamal and jared.
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1/12/2007  12:56 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by King1:

JJ is not a shut down defender by any means and he is so bad offensively he bogs everything down. Name one guy he has shut down since he has been playing. How did the Knicks win with frye and Lee playing major minutes together and JJ was gone.

I am not saying he has shutdown anyone, but he has played better man to man defense than Frye or Lee. He just needs to learn to stop trying to score and keep the ball moving. I am not saying he should be starting, but if you start Lee and Frye, you are going to create defensive problems with teams that have a strong scoring SF. I think ideally Jeffries should come off the bench and either Lee or Q should be starting at SF.

If Jeffries could just get his shot going a little bit, or at least step in a couple of feet when he is wiiiiide open from 3 in the corner and the other team just leaves him, I would be a little happier with him.

oohah

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going
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1/12/2007  12:59 PM

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going

That's not even a joke. Strange thing though, when JJ was at Indiana, I remember him hitting from the foul line area pretty consistently. What the hell happened? I thought he was going to be like Alan Henderson, but the able-bodied Henderson was much better in my opinion.

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1/12/2007  1:00 PM
Posted by oohah:

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going

That's not even a joke. Strange thing though, when JJ was at Indiana, I remember him hitting from the foul line area pretty consistently. What the hell happened? I thought he was going to be like Alan Henderson, but the able-bodied Henderson was much better in my opinion.

oohah

i thought he even had decent 3pt shooting in college?
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1/12/2007  1:03 PM
i thought he even had decent 3pt shooting in college?

I don't remember Jeffries taking any 3s at all in college, but I'm no Hoosier so maybe he did. He was pretty damn good and led that team to good records while showing offensive ability.

I guess that is the difference between college and the pros...

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1/12/2007  1:05 PM
Posted by oohah:

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going

That's not even a joke. Strange thing though, when JJ was at Indiana, I remember him hitting from the foul line area pretty consistently. What the hell happened? I thought he was going to be like Alan Henderson, but the able-bodied Henderson was much better in my opinion.

oohah

he got that team to the finals...unreal. his total lack of offensive development is nuts.
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1/12/2007  1:06 PM
he'll get it going...he's only played like 10 games i think.
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1/12/2007  1:15 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going

That's not even a joke. Strange thing though, when JJ was at Indiana, I remember him hitting from the foul line area pretty consistently. What the hell happened? I thought he was going to be like Alan Henderson, but the able-bodied Henderson was much better in my opinion.

oohah

he got that team to the finals...unreal. his total lack of offensive development is nuts.

Hey DJ, you're from Queens right? how come you never talk about the Johnnies?

oohah

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1/12/2007  1:17 PM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by oohah:

lol, JJ needs to get a shot before he can get it going

That's not even a joke. Strange thing though, when JJ was at Indiana, I remember him hitting from the foul line area pretty consistently. What the hell happened? I thought he was going to be like Alan Henderson, but the able-bodied Henderson was much better in my opinion.

oohah

he got that team to the finals...unreal. his total lack of offensive development is nuts.

Hey DJ, you're from Queens right? how come you never talk about the Johnnies?

oohah

i'm about 15 mins away from st. john's...but i grew up a syracuse fan. blasphemy i know. and i'm 5 mins from shea but grew up a yankee fan.
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