[ IMAGES: Images ON turn off | ACCOUNT: User Status is LOCKED why? ]

Curry is a great asset to have
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Author Thread
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30353
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
1/11/2007  5:37 PM
Think about this. 3yrs from now. Houston, Anderson, J-Williams will all be off our cap. Marbury & Franchise will be in the last yr of there contracts. Crawford & Richardson will only have a few yrs left.

Now if Curry becomes a flat out stud by this time then we have a 27yr old franchise stud with some young veterans like Frye, Lee, Robinson, Balkman and whoever else we add. With a lot more flexability since all these contracts will either be off the books or expiring or tradeable. We will still be over the cap at the time. But unless the GM we have (Isiah or whoever else is here) signs more bad contracts or makes more bad trades money wise. We will have a lot of trade friendly contracts since the yrs won't be crazy.

If Curry doesn't become a flat out stud by this time and is still the same player now maybe only slightly better. The market for a 18-7 center that needs to be triple teamed down low will be pretty damn big. You could get a lot back for him. Add that with the roster flexability though we will still be over the cap. We will be very good shape.

Isiah's demond has allways been *trying to win now* while also building for the future. But he can't make those same mistakes. Stop worring about trying to just make the playoffs now. Avoid those free agent signings unless there no brianers. And trades that only add more salary. Just keep our picks and draft for 3yrs. And if we are able to move a player for a slightly shorter contract but has less talent. Do it. We win we win we lose we lose. But keep Marbury's final contract yr in mind. By that yr we will know everything we need to about Curry, Frye, Lee, Balkman, Robinson and will have to flexablity and better cap situation to really make the team a contender.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
AUTOADVERT
TMS
Posts: 60684
Alba Posts: 617
Joined: 5/11/2004
Member: #674
USA
1/11/2007  5:50 PM
ditto all the above ^

it's an encouraging sign that Dolan has finally put an end to the irresponsible taking on of huge longterm contracts, but the Knicks also have to stop signing mediocre players to full MLE contracts as well... we need to keep thinking of getting top value for the dollar... just because we have the money to spend doesn't mean we need to be spending it... i'd much rather be rooting for a team full of overachieving hard working guys making league minimum than a bunch of overpaid former star players who are clearly on the downsides of their careers... if you can snatch up a CWebb on a LLE type deal, jump on that... otherwise, steer clear of taking on any more veterans who won't make an appreciable impact on this team & move forward by developing the young guns.
After 7 years & 40K+ posts, banned by martin for calling Nalod a 'moron'. Awesome.
kam77
Posts: 27664
Alba Posts: 25
Joined: 3/17/2004
Member: #634
1/11/2007  6:21 PM
Teams have to game plan around Curry. When was the last time we could say that about a knick since Pat's heydey?

Not to go too far off-topic, but, thats one reason i don't want to move Frye YET to another team. He's got that special quality at least as an offensive player that other teams have to game plan for.

I acknowledge that the two of them are not a perfect fit together as they are both below-average in some other important areas (rebounding, defense). But i'm conservative with my assets by nature. It would have to be a player with another special quality in return for Frye to make it worth our while.

And any guy we get in return for Frye would either be a) a backup PF/C or b) not a PF/C and therefore struggle to fit into our rotation somewhere. Thus, a waste unless some other guys in the rotation are moved.


lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
1/11/2007  6:53 PM
Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
izybx
Posts: 22366
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 10/16/2006
Member: #1178
USA
1/11/2007  6:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.

What do you think Currys value is right now? Who do you think we can get for him?
Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
islesfan
Posts: 9999
Alba Posts: 37
Joined: 7/19/2004
Member: #712
1/11/2007  7:11 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:

Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.

What do you think Currys value is right now? Who do you think we can get for him?

Honestly I don't think his value is that high. He has a large contract that's uninsurable because of his heart. He's only an asset on the offensive end and he has to be completely showcased or he disappears. On defense he's still well below average and for his size he should be a much better rebounder.

I'm not sure what you can get for him exactly but I'm pretty sure you can't get 2 lottery picks for him.
If it didn’t work in Phoenix with Nash and Stoutamire... it’s just not a winning formula. It’s an entertaining formula, but not a winning one. - Derek Harper talking about D'Antoni's System
izybx
Posts: 22366
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 10/16/2006
Member: #1178
USA
1/11/2007  7:17 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:

Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.

What do you think Currys value is right now? Who do you think we can get for him?

Honestly I don't think his value is that high. He has a large contract that's uninsurable because of his heart. He's only an asset on the offensive end and he has to be completely showcased or he disappears. On defense he's still well below average and for his size he should be a much better rebounder.

I'm not sure what you can get for him exactly but I'm pretty sure you can't get 2 lottery picks for him.

Not in this years draft you cant. You can get the equivalent of Ty Thomas, Mike out-the-league-in-3-years Sweetney, and a NON lottery pick for this year tho, cause as much as you hate to think about it , we will make the playoffs this year!
Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
Bonn1997
Posts: 58654
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 2/2/2004
Member: #581
USA
1/11/2007  7:48 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:

Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.

What do you think Currys value is right now? Who do you think we can get for him?

Honestly I don't think his value is that high. He has a large contract that's uninsurable because of his heart. He's only an asset on the offensive end and he has to be completely showcased or he disappears. On defense he's still well below average and for his size he should be a much better rebounder.

I'm not sure what you can get for him exactly but I'm pretty sure you can't get 2 lottery picks for him.

I'd say you could get an expiring contract and a pick around 15.
izybx
Posts: 22366
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 10/16/2006
Member: #1178
USA
1/11/2007  8:18 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by izybx:
Posted by islesfan:

Because uninsurable defensive liabilities who can't stay in shape are in such high demand.

What do you think Currys value is right now? Who do you think we can get for him?

Honestly I don't think his value is that high. He has a large contract that's uninsurable because of his heart. He's only an asset on the offensive end and he has to be completely showcased or he disappears. On defense he's still well below average and for his size he should be a much better rebounder.

I'm not sure what you can get for him exactly but I'm pretty sure you can't get 2 lottery picks for him.

I'd say you could get an expiring contract and a pick around 15.

Lol I hope youre joking

Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
izybx
Posts: 22366
Alba Posts: 2
Joined: 10/16/2006
Member: #1178
USA
1/11/2007  8:19 PM
But your not...Ill have to keep that in mind whenever I try to take your opinions seriously
Beat the Evil Empire. BEAT MIAMI
babyKnicks
Posts: 22486
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/31/2006
Member: #1191
USA
1/11/2007  8:27 PM
Posted by izybx:

But your not...Ill have to keep that in mind whenever I try to take your opinions seriously

I've been noticing that for the last few weeks now. I guess the term snit was fitting after all.
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
newyorknewyork
Posts: 30353
Alba Posts: 1
Joined: 1/16/2004
Member: #541
1/11/2007  10:05 PM
You guys are just to low on Curry. Opponents are game planning to stop him. They send triple teams. You think they don't crave that type of asset for there teams. Mainly because he is doing it from the center position.

Id bet we could get Josh Smith and 2 draft picks from ATL if we offerd Curry to them right now.

Id bet Seattle would be willing to give up 2 draft picks right about now as well.
How about Minny or Memphis. We could probably get Gerald Wallace and a high pick from Bobcats since they would love to put Curry next to Okafor and open up the outside shooting for Morrison.

If Curry was on a another team doing exactly what he is doing right now. People on this board would be talking about Moving Frye, Nate, Q and a draft pick for him. Then the realist would say. There is no way that (the team Curry is on) does that trade.
https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
TheGame
Posts: 26656
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2006
Member: #1154
USA
1/12/2007  12:30 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

You guys are just to low on Curry. Opponents are game planning to stop him. They send triple teams. You think they don't crave that type of asset for there teams. Mainly because he is doing it from the center position.

Id bet we could get Josh Smith and 2 draft picks from ATL if we offerd Curry to them right now.

Id bet Seattle would be willing to give up 2 draft picks right about now as well.
How about Minny or Memphis. We could probably get Gerald Wallace and a high pick from Bobcats since they would love to put Curry next to Okafor and open up the outside shooting for Morrison.

If Curry was on a another team doing exactly what he is doing right now. People on this board would be talking about Moving Frye, Nate, Q and a draft pick for him. Then the realist would say. There is no way that (the team Curry is on) does that trade.

You are right. We could get alot for Curry because centers that can actually score at a high percentage and demand double teams are rare. I have no doubt the Bobcats would give us Wallace and a 1st round pick for Curry. And Atlanta would trade alot for him too. But why trade him. With Q and Nate back, we will start to see the value of having a low post threat. Ultimately, if we do need to make a trade to get better, we can trade Frye in another year. I think his trade value will be higher next year than it is this year. He has a good work ethic and I think he will work hard to prove himself after this so-so season. Even now his shot looked much better last night.
Trust the Process
nyk4ever
Posts: 41012
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
1/12/2007  12:31 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:

I've been noticing that for the last few weeks now. I guess the term snit was fitting after all.

Funny you should know about that "BabyKnicks" since you just joined the website on October 31, long after Bonn took an extended hiatus.

Give it up RV.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
TheGame
Posts: 26656
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 7/15/2006
Member: #1154
USA
1/12/2007  12:32 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

If Curry was on a another team doing exactly what he is doing right now. People on this board would be talking about Moving Frye, Nate, Q and a draft pick for him. Then the realist would say. There is no way that (the team Curry is on) does that trade.

You are right about this too. If Curry was on some other team playing like this, people would be saying why can't IT get us a franchise player like Curry.
Trust the Process
nyk4ever
Posts: 41012
Alba Posts: 12
Joined: 1/12/2005
Member: #848
USA
1/12/2007  12:34 AM
Posted by TheGame:
Posted by newyorknewyork:

If Curry was on a another team doing exactly what he is doing right now. People on this board would be talking about Moving Frye, Nate, Q and a draft pick for him. Then the realist would say. There is no way that (the team Curry is on) does that trade.

You are right about this too. If Curry was on some other team playing like this, people would be saying why can't IT get us a franchise player like Curry.

Would they though? I think people are pretty even in their praise and criticism. I think the same people who are saying they don't think Curry is a franchise player are the same people that would say his defense sorely lacks if he was on a different team.
"OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
bobs3304
Posts: 24827
Alba Posts: 3
Joined: 7/5/2005
Member: #948
1/12/2007  12:44 AM
Ya.

I think an expiring and mid 1st is what you're gonna get for him right now.


Maybe next year he'll get better, who knows.


He needs to trim down though. Seriously he should be slamming the ball down in guys faces, not soft layups.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
lovespree
Posts: 20310
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 8/1/2001
Member: #53
USA
1/12/2007  9:08 AM
An expiring and mid 1st? Maybe two lottery picks. Are you guy joking. Do you not realize how rare a big center who can score is???? There are very few in the league who do, very few. "I hope he get's better" First of all he is good now, better would mean him being an All Star next year. I think some on this board are straight pessimist and no matter what you say, they will always find away to make their comments negative. Any time a guy is commanding a double team means to me that he is a focal point.
NY KNICKS 4 EVER! Will we ever find players like Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniels, Patrick Ewing again? I hope so.
Masterplan
Posts: 21571
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 12/9/2002
Member: #362
1/12/2007  10:24 AM
look at the trade market. what did AI get PHI? a player, an expiring deal, and two LOW picks.

it's not a great comparison (mainly based on age), but you're treating curry like a bona fide star. he straight up isn't. AI is a proven winner- former MVP, offensive force to be reckoned with always near the top of the league in steals. now what would you get for a player worse in pretty much every aspect of basketball except size? RIGHT NOW curry is an offensive role player- a very good one, but only effective in a specific skill set. it's looking like he may come on in the next year or two and round out his game. but teams aren't going to pony up the money he's owed AND picks to get ahold of him. IT had to gamble on him, i wouldn't think many teams are willing and can afford to make the same gambles as him.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-12-2007 10:25 AM]
babyKnicks
Posts: 22486
Alba Posts: 0
Joined: 10/31/2006
Member: #1191
USA
1/12/2007  10:32 AM
i always thought bigs got more respect in the league than guards?
Let's go Knicks. That's amare
Page 1 of 2  1  2 Next ›
« Reply To Topic
Curry is a great asset to have
Forum Index  ›  NY Knicks Forum

©2001-2025 ultimateknicks.comm All rights reserved. About Us.
This site is not affiliated with the NY Knicks or the National Basketball Association in any way.
You may visit the official NY Knicks web site by clicking here.

All times (GMT-05:00) Eastern Time.

Terms of Use and Privacy Policy