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Is it me or did isiah O.D. with the role players
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EnySpree
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1/8/2007  12:25 AM
I dunno. I'm just thinking and then looking at the bench. Tons of dudes that are good and fit roles but I think there might be too many.

Isiah is hell bent on Jared starting. Ok well frye is just a spot up shooter. The curry is just a post up threat right now. Craw and marbs have the most talent. Q is good too but he is a health risk.

Balkman, Collins, Nate, lee, cato, Jerome.

Isiah kinda over did it. Knicks need probably one More skilled player.
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1/8/2007  1:02 AM
The team is pretty good if the right lineups were used...... which basically means, sitting Frye and Jared.
Curry/Lee/Q/Crawford/Marbury to start games is as good as any team in the east. And a Bench of Frye/jj2/Balkman/Nate is better then most benches in the east, with rebounding, ShotBlocking, Defense, speed, shooting.... but Isiah is really about showing JJ2 and Frye are "Great".
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1/8/2007  4:38 AM
Jared and Channing. Yup, gotta be gay.
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1/8/2007  7:22 AM
Posted by EnySpree:

I dunno. I'm just thinking and then looking at the bench. Tons of dudes that are good and fit roles but I think there might be too many.

Isiah is hell bent on Jared starting. Ok well frye is just a spot up shooter. The curry is just a post up threat right now. Craw and marbs have the most talent. Q is good too but he is a health risk.

Balkman, Collins, Nate, lee, cato, Jerome.



Isiah kinda over did it. Knicks need probably one More skilled player.


Eny you hit the nail right on the head.

The skill players the knicks get are usually on the downside of their careers.

The youth we have Isiah will have to depend on them to try and lead us ,but in this league vets do the leading come playoff time especially at crunch time (Last 5 min of 4th qtr).

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1/8/2007  7:37 AM
Why is David Lee not a "skill player"? He's skillful in almost every area of the game. I think people are confusing skillful with flashy
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1/8/2007  8:05 AM
The depth was really helpful with all of the injuries and suspensions, but I would rather have one player that plays both o and d, than two players who play only o or only d.
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1/8/2007  8:06 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:

He's skillful in almost every area of the game.


When you say almost, do you mean that the area that he isn't skilled in is defence?
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1/8/2007  8:10 AM
Well, the hope is that our young role players will develop into solid two-way starters. Curry and Lee have the potential to become All Stars. Frye, Nate, and Crawford all have the potential to be very solid players. And players like Balkman can become very solid players if they put in the work. There are potential all-stars on this team. There probably are no superstars on this team but the Pistons won a championship without a superstar, so it can be done.
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1/8/2007  8:45 AM
Posted by TheGame:

There probably are no superstars on this team but the Pistons won a championship without a superstar, so it can be done.

Yea no superstars playing for the Pistons, but the coach was LB(Mr play the right way) and he stressed defense...just ask Ben Wallace it's the reason he went to chicago

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1/8/2007  9:23 AM
Building a title without a superstar is possible. The champion is normally teh team with the most strenghts and the least amount of weaknessess. Superstars just make the building process easier. You need to be able to look at your bench and put a solid defensive squad on the floor, a solid offensive squad on the floor, a good hands squad etc. If you have major weaknesses other coaches can exploit them in a playoff series.

This has been one of our weak points. Because we have just slapped players on a roster we have not been able to cover some of our weaknesses. That's why we need to continue to build. No more players that are bought out a year later. No more signing of the first "star" available. Every move must be made as a compliment to Eddie Curry or else you are wasting that trade.
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1/8/2007  9:40 AM
You could never have to many role players, your roster is usually filled with one maybe 2 superstars, then you have a bonifide ( not super star) star or 2 ( josh and jason terry) and everybody else does what they do best depending on the situation.

For a team that had a huge glut at the guard position, we somehow manage to only have acsess to only 2 for almost a month, Jalan could have came in handy in a least 5 of those games nate miss. So i never feel like a team has to many role players unless there all good for the same thing.
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1/8/2007  9:54 AM
Good point Eny. I said a few weeks ago that "less is more" and we are redundant in many ways.

Get the rotation down to 8-9 depending on the nite and go with it.

Sit Nate!
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1/8/2007  9:57 AM
Role players are great. I agree with you 100% but only if they make sense for the roster you have. QWoods, Butler, Jalen, Stevie, JJ1, Mo Taylor were also role players. And pretty good ones too(well besides JJ1). So were Clarence and Othella and Charlie and Shandon. But role players are only worthwhile if they make sense to your roster. In the past, this is the direction we have not gone. We must continue to find players that fit a team that is built around the building blocks that Isiah has determined as his "franchise". That's what having a vision is all about, no?

I guess I'm jsut confused as to why people are arguing about building a balanced team when we all know that the day we start really being a factor in the East we will have some very different players.
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1/8/2007  9:59 AM
isiah's franchise targets: steph + curry

and it's tough to get non-role players when your draft picks come at #21, 30, 20, and 29 in subsequent drafts.

highest pick: #8, channing frye. role player or starter? tbd.
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1/8/2007  10:05 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Role players are great. I agree with you 100% but only if they make sense for the roster you have. QWoods, Butler, Jalen, Stevie, JJ1, Mo Taylor were also role players. And pretty good ones too(well besides JJ1). So were Clarence and Othella and Charlie and Shandon. But role players are only worthwhile if they make sense to your roster. In the past, this is the direction we have not gone. We must continue to find players that fit a team that is built around the building blocks that Isiah has determined as his "franchise". That's what having a vision is all about, no?

I guess I'm jsut confused as to why people are arguing about building a balanced team when we all know that the day we start really being a factor in the East we will have some very different players.

Three years into Isiah tenure and marbury is the only guy still here...Dude thats 3 years, theres absolutely no reason to belive anyone but curry and LEE will be here after the next 3 years
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1/8/2007  10:07 AM
Posted by Bippity10:

Role players are great. I agree with you 100% but only if they make sense for the roster you have. QWoods, Butler, Jalen, Stevie, JJ1, Mo Taylor were also role players. And pretty good ones too(well besides JJ1). So were Clarence and Othella and Charlie and Shandon. But role players are only worthwhile if they make sense to your roster. In the past, this is the direction we have not gone. We must continue to find players that fit a team that is built around the building blocks that Isiah has determined as his "franchise". That's what having a vision is all about, no?

I guess I'm jsut confused as to why people are arguing about building a balanced team when we all know that the day we start really being a factor in the East we will have some very different players.

under layden, his 3 best players were spree, h20, and camby. not a bad three which he inherited. he then surrounded them with guys like eisley, shandon, spoon, and othella. layden was building a playoff caliber supporting cast. all that team really needed was a franchise player (the toughest thing to find). and he put all his eggs in the mcdyess basket. and trio of spree, h20, and dice (healthy) along with a supporting cast of ward and shantella eisleyspoon actually makes some noise in the east. in fact, it makes alot of noise since the east was weak at that time. the problem of course, is that layden did in fact put all his eggs in the dice basket. when that blew up in his face, he started using the draft to add talent.
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1/8/2007  10:09 AM
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Posted by Bippity10:

Role players are great. I agree with you 100% but only if they make sense for the roster you have. QWoods, Butler, Jalen, Stevie, JJ1, Mo Taylor were also role players. And pretty good ones too(well besides JJ1). So were Clarence and Othella and Charlie and Shandon. But role players are only worthwhile if they make sense to your roster. In the past, this is the direction we have not gone. We must continue to find players that fit a team that is built around the building blocks that Isiah has determined as his "franchise". That's what having a vision is all about, no?

I guess I'm jsut confused as to why people are arguing about building a balanced team when we all know that the day we start really being a factor in the East we will have some very different players.

Three years into Isiah tenure and marbury is the only guy still here...Dude thats 3 years, theres absolutely no reason to belive anyone but curry and LEE will be here after the next 3 years
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That's my point. So knowing that the roster must still be messed with why when I say we must continue to target players that compliment them do people argue with me?
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1/8/2007  10:28 AM
Posted by Ira:
Posted by Bonn1997:

He's skillful in almost every area of the game.


When you say almost, do you mean that the area that he isn't skilled in is defence?

I was thinking of blocking shots and getting steals. I think his man to man against PFs is adequate. It's not as bad as Curry's or Frye's.
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