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1/4/2007  11:14 AM
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/knicks.html

Definitely looks like 2008 we're going to have a whole lot of this ugly payroll coming off the books. So then what do we do? Trade the expirings and gamble for an answer or let them expire and woo some big name free agents to the awesome that is our city? :)
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1/4/2007  11:19 AM
I thought Rose's deal ended after the 07-08 season. This list has it ending the same year as Marbury's deal.
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1/4/2007  11:19 AM
I thought Malik expired after 2007?
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1/4/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by K22:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/knicks.html

Definitely looks like 2008 we're going to have a whole lot of this ugly payroll coming off the books. So then what do we do? Trade the expirings and gamble for an answer or let them expire and woo some big name free agents to the awesome that is our city? :)

actually, it's the summer of 2009 is the EARLIEST we could TRY to get under the cap.

but right now, with some #1 guaranteed deals coming up, plus possible extensions to lee, frye, and nate, we will probably be over the cap that summer as well. being $1 over the cap is almost the same as being $50 mil over in terms of signing free agents. BUT having smaller contracts do make trade making a little easier.
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1/4/2007  11:19 AM
Posted by Panos:

I thought Malik expired after 2007?


nope, he's done after the 2008 season.
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1/4/2007  11:23 AM
Getting under the cap is a pipe dream at MSG. We need to probably trade those expirings for who ever we want to sign that year.
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1/4/2007  11:25 AM
Posted by Anji:

Getting under the cap is a pipe dream at MSG. We need to probably trade those expirings for who ever we want to sign that year.

IF we're never going to get under the cap, then we shouldn't have waived jalen or mo. that's OUR BEST chance of trying to land the better players in the league.

paring down payroll means nothing unless your goal is to get under the cap one day.
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1/4/2007  11:26 AM
Posted by Anji:

Getting under the cap is a pipe dream at MSG. We need to probably trade those expirings for who ever we want to sign that year.

i agree, we just need to be smarter about who we go after with that strategy.

a lot smarter.

a lot.
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1/4/2007  11:31 AM
Well not getting under the cap doesn't mean you have to be 130 million dollars over the cap. Their goal could be not to pay 130million in luxury tax, it's still a business.
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1/4/2007  11:42 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by K22:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/knicks.html

Definitely looks like 2008 we're going to have a whole lot of this ugly payroll coming off the books. So then what do we do? Trade the expirings and gamble for an answer or let them expire and woo some big name free agents to the awesome that is our city? :)

actually, it's the summer of 2009 is the EARLIEST we could TRY to get under the cap.

but right now, with some #1 guaranteed deals coming up, plus possible extensions to lee, frye, and nate, we will probably be over the cap that summer as well. being $1 over the cap is almost the same as being $50 mil over in terms of signing free agents. BUT having smaller contracts do make trade making a little easier.

There's a team option for the 4th year, right? How much of a bump up is that?
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1/4/2007  11:44 AM
Posted by Anji:

Well not getting under the cap doesn't mean you have to be 130 million dollars over the cap. Their goal could be not to pay 130million in luxury tax, it's still a business.

sure, from dolan's perspective but for the team, it doesn't do jack in terms of our ability to land a franchise player.
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1/4/2007  11:54 AM
That's a bad site. The best one is here...

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm
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1/4/2007  12:02 PM
We have 52 million coming off the cap next Summer, guaranteed, and we're still WAAAAAAAAAY over the cap. We'll be where we were when Isiah first took over.
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1/4/2007  12:20 PM
bring back Scott Layden!
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1/4/2007  12:27 PM
Is everyone forgetting that we'll need to resign Frye, Lee and Robinson by then. Assuming we get bargains on each or say we only sign 2 of the 3, thats still a substantial amount added to our payroll.

Getting under the cap is not in our future...
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1/4/2007  12:39 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

That's a bad site. The best one is here...

http://www.hoopshype.com/salaries/new_york.htm

Damn, I could have sworn Malik Rose was done after next season. That means we are stuck with him for this year and next before we can trade him. At least, we are goign to lose about $50 mill in salary this year, which should give IT some leeway to make trades. Hopefully, IT or whoever is the GM, can make some wise decisions. There is no hope for us getting under the cap. By the time Marbury and Francis come off the books, we will have to resign Lee, Frye, and Nate and will also have to prepare to resign Balkman the following year.
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1/4/2007  1:04 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by K22:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/knicks.html

Definitely looks like 2008 we're going to have a whole lot of this ugly payroll coming off the books. So then what do we do? Trade the expirings and gamble for an answer or let them expire and woo some big name free agents to the awesome that is our city? :)

actually, it's the summer of 2009 is the EARLIEST we could TRY to get under the cap.

but right now, with some #1 guaranteed deals coming up, plus possible extensions to lee, frye, and nate, we will probably be over the cap that summer as well. being $1 over the cap is almost the same as being $50 mil over in terms of signing free agents. BUT having smaller contracts do make trade making a little easier.


Actually the summer of 09 is going to be very interesting because Lebron James and Dwayne Wade both have player options that yr. The total cap hold Frye, Lee, and Nate will have at that time assuming the TO are picked up will be approximately $4-4.5mil. That means if no salary were to be added from now till then(highly unlikely) the Knicks may be as much as $10-15mil under the cap. That means the 08/09 season will be very interesting because Marbury will want an extension before his contract expires. It doesn't and would not be extended from 20+mil, both parties know this but he'll probably want something around $7-10mil/yr. Thomas has decide who he's going to get rid of bewteen these group of guys.......

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Marbury

At the minimum 2 of them have to go, if this team wants to get involved on the sweepstakes in the summer of 09. This is of course assuming Wade and Lebron aren't extended from their current contracts.
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1/4/2007  2:24 PM
Posted by Seanc3:

Is everyone forgetting that we'll need to resign Frye, Lee and Robinson by then. Assuming we get bargains on each or say we only sign 2 of the 3, thats still a substantial amount added to our payroll.

Getting under the cap is not in our future...


I think it could be if it was decided upon. theres no rule that says we have to keep them. we can trade any of the 3, before it becomes time to extend them.
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1/4/2007  4:11 PM
Posted by SlimPack:
Posted by Seanc3:

Is everyone forgetting that we'll need to resign Frye, Lee and Robinson by then. Assuming we get bargains on each or say we only sign 2 of the 3, thats still a substantial amount added to our payroll.

Getting under the cap is not in our future...

I think it could be if it was decided upon. theres no rule that says we have to keep them. we can trade any of the 3, before it becomes time to extend them.

Sean makes the same point that I make. If we were going to trade one of them for a younger player whose contract won't expire until after 2009, we'd have to do so pretty soon (like before next season starts). Otherwise, what are we going for? The fact is, say what you will, but Frye, Lee and Nate are well respected around the league, and will have a perceived value. The trio might net over $20 million a year when they expire. We won't have enough space, counting the contracts we'll still have, plus resigning the trio, plus any small contracts we have... to make a serious run at a stud (LeBron, Wade, etc...). So, the fact of the matter is that we're not getting under the cap enough to sign a star. I don't see any way it would be possible.

[Edited by - Solace on Jan 04 2007 4:14 PM]
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1/4/2007  4:14 PM
Posted by TrueBlue:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by K22:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/basketball/nba/salaries/knicks.html

Definitely looks like 2008 we're going to have a whole lot of this ugly payroll coming off the books. So then what do we do? Trade the expirings and gamble for an answer or let them expire and woo some big name free agents to the awesome that is our city? :)

actually, it's the summer of 2009 is the EARLIEST we could TRY to get under the cap.

but right now, with some #1 guaranteed deals coming up, plus possible extensions to lee, frye, and nate, we will probably be over the cap that summer as well. being $1 over the cap is almost the same as being $50 mil over in terms of signing free agents. BUT having smaller contracts do make trade making a little easier.


Actually the summer of 09 is going to be very interesting because Lebron James and Dwayne Wade both have player options that yr.

it's actually the summer of 2010. they signed 3 year extensions that kick in starting next season, with an option for 2010/2011.
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