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Ira
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1/4/2007  5:22 AM
The Knicks dominated the Blazers on the road last night. In winning, they played well in many ways. But there was one area in which they were really bad - 3 point shooting. They were 2-12 last night from behind the arc. That's not a surprise. The Knicks are last in the league in 3 pt shooting percentage. And without their two best outside shooters - Richardson and Robinson, they're even worse.

Isaiah should sit with some of his guards and tell them when they're allowed to shoot a 3 and when they aren't. When Curry is double teamed, guards shoot cut to the hoop instead of waiting outside for the shot. And is there's time on the clock, and the ball is passed out to them, they should pass it back in. Guys who can't hit three's shouldn't take them unless the clock is running out and there's nothing else to do.
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1/4/2007  7:58 AM
I think the 3 point shooting is a BIG problem in offense and defense. In defense it often starts with our guards not being able to stop the opposition from penetration. As the perimeter defenders want to help (having a dominant defensive minded Big in the zone would relief them from that duty), the opponents sf and guards take uncontested 3s of the kick out pass.

On offense I would not want any of our guards to shoot the three. I miss Allan H. damn I even miss John S. !!! ;-)
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1/4/2007  8:42 AM
Our biggest problem is Jared Jeffries launching up three 3pters last night when he cant even hit the rim on a free throw...thats a HUGE problem.
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1/4/2007  8:58 AM
Posted by izybx:

Our biggest problem is Jared Jeffries launching up three 3pters last night when he cant even hit the rim on a free throw...thats a HUGE problem.

Yes- but I think when he is out there with Curry & Lee, his place in the offense is to shoot open 3's.
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1/4/2007  9:17 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:

Our biggest problem is Jared Jeffries launching up three 3pters last night when he cant even hit the rim on a free throw...thats a HUGE problem.

Yes- but I think when he is out there with Curry & Lee, his place in the offense is to shoot open 3's.

If that is the case, he needs a new place because that strategy is not going to work. He needs to at least drive to the hole.
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1/4/2007  9:19 AM
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:

Our biggest problem is Jared Jeffries launching up three 3pters last night when he cant even hit the rim on a free throw...thats a HUGE problem.

Yes- but I think when he is out there with Curry & Lee, his place in the offense is to shoot open 3's.

If his place in the offense is to shoot threes then the offense needs to be revamped...the guy is AWFUL from the perimeter

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1/4/2007  9:44 AM
Luke Jackson would make a nice addition (for our unfilled 15th roster spot).
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1/4/2007  1:49 PM
Posted by izybx:
Posted by franco12:
Posted by izybx:

Our biggest problem is Jared Jeffries launching up three 3pters last night when he cant even hit the rim on a free throw...thats a HUGE problem.

Yes- but I think when he is out there with Curry & Lee, his place in the offense is to shoot open 3's.

If his place in the offense is to shoot threes then the offense needs to be revamped...the guy is AWFUL from the perimeter

Jeffries just doesn't fit anywhere on this team.
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1/4/2007  1:56 PM
we're a hard to please bunch... killing IT for not bringing in any defenders, now for not having shooters. guys can make a career in the nba with either of those skills, putting them together is tough to find.

then again, IT does go in bursts- "power" (baker mo malik), size (frye lee JJ curry), lately defense (renaldo JJ cato). i suppose replacing a few of those redundant acquisitions with a shooter, pure PG, and/or shotblocker he could have made us happy.
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1/4/2007  2:04 PM
Althoug Jeffries has had 1 great game for us this year, he has otherwise disrupted our offensive flow and chemistry big time since we inserted him into the starting lineup. I could deal with the offensive disruptions if he just stuck to playing solid D. But I cannot stand how every game we are seeing more 1 on 1 isolation plays for Jeffries on the low post that never seem to produce much. Add that to the 3 pointers he shoots because teams know he has 0 range and it makes it very tough to stand him in our starting lineup at all. I really wish we would start Lee at SF... but I think everyone has been begging for that since Lee was put on the bench.

Also .... Balkman should NOT be allowed any more 3 point attempts. Every game we lose like 3 possessions because he takes those shots and NEVER makes them. We really need discipline from the 3. If you can't shoot from that distance... don't try!
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1/4/2007  3:02 PM
Jefferies is killing us.
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1/4/2007  4:11 PM
It's tough for Isaiah. He was friendly with Jeffries for several years and convinced him to leave the Bullets and sign with us. Q was coming off a bad year; Balkman was an untested rookie and Lee couldn't defend at the 3. But it hasn't worked out for Jeffries or for the Knicks. Isaiah's just going to have to bite the bullet and either sit Jeffries or trade him.
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1/4/2007  4:18 PM
Posted by Ira:

It's tough for Isaiah. He was friendly with Jeffries for several years and convinced him to leave the Bullets and sign with us. Q was coming off a bad year; Balkman was an untested rookie and Lee couldn't defend at the 3. But it hasn't worked out for Jeffries or for the Knicks. Isaiah's just going to have to bite the bullet and either sit Jeffries or trade him.


You know this is how all of IT's moves seem to work out. He signed JJ1 because we needed a center and had no one on the team taller than 6'9". At the time, the move made some sense. But then right after we draft Frye and later obtain Curry, which makes JJ1 (especially at $5 mill per) utterly useless. This past summer, like you said, we needed a SF after Ariza was traded so we draft Balkman. But since Balkman is unproven, we sign Jeffries who is looking like a bust and IMO is not outplaying Balkman. I think Jeffries ultimately will play better than he is playing now, but I wish we did not have him or JJ1 on the team.
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I think Jeffries role just has to be a bit more definted. During the game last night they showed a couple of clips of Isiah and Jeffries. JJ was talking about how he's pressing and how his offense isn't were it should be. Isiah said that JJ was brought here to defend and rebound, not to score. Well, if that's the case, which it should be, then Isiah has to tell him to STOP shooting the 3. I'm with all of you guys on this one. If JJ is in the game for his hustle, length, defense, etc. I have no problem. It's when he thinks he has to score to contribute, where I do have the problem. I still think JJ can help us if his role is both defined better and understood better. In the starting line up he's the 5th option. Unless you're the Suns, your 5th option should never jack deep shots the way JJ has been up to this point. But give the man a chance to gel and get his D on, then I think we'll be happy with his contributions.
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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1/4/2007  4:33 PM
"definted" = defined. sorry
"It was good," Curry said. "I killed Malik, Jerome. The usual suspects. It felt good."
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1/4/2007  4:40 PM
we could use matt barnes
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Posted by TheGame:
Posted by Ira:

It's tough for Isaiah. He was friendly with Jeffries for several years and convinced him to leave the Bullets and sign with us. Q was coming off a bad year; Balkman was an untested rookie and Lee couldn't defend at the 3. But it hasn't worked out for Jeffries or for the Knicks. Isaiah's just going to have to bite the bullet and either sit Jeffries or trade him.


You know this is how all of IT's moves seem to work out. He signed JJ1 because we needed a center and had no one on the team taller than 6'9". At the time, the move made some sense. But then right after we draft Frye and later obtain Curry, which makes JJ1 (especially at $5 mill per) utterly useless. This past summer, like you said, we needed a SF after Ariza was traded so we draft Balkman. But since Balkman is unproven, we sign Jeffries who is looking like a bust and IMO is not outplaying Balkman. I think Jeffries ultimately will play better than he is playing now, but I wish we did not have him or JJ1 on the team.

a problem that IT seems to have inherited with the franchise is paying not just top dollar but also max years for every semi-major aquisition.

when most teams sign acknowledged role players, it's like 3 or even 1 year deals. we still guarantee the max years to pretty much every vet we bring in. that's what really kills the team. not the dollar amounts, because the team can afford it, and anyway it's not my money (as much as i hate that argument). it's that we're perpetually locked into 3/4 of a roster every year. and we wonder why we can't turn it around.

it kills me, especially when we've had such good luck with bargain basement players like dermarr, butler, qyntel.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 01-04-2007 4:45 PM]
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1/4/2007  5:23 PM
Trade Jefferies and Frye for a shooter, a legit big guard who can defend and shoot. Mike Miller?
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