I went to last night's game and thought I would share a few thoughts... All the Kings fans were envious of Lee and Curry. No mention of Frye and Marbury. Even when Crawford was hitting 3's, the fans would comment on his skill and undisciplined shooting. The guy behind me was explaining to his friend how talented Crawford was, but how his streak shooting often came back to hurt the knicks. While he wasn't exactly right last night, clearly the Sacramento fans are somewhat knowledgeable. Also, they LOVE Bibby there, and seem indifferent to Artest, even though he is clearly their best player. Kevin Martin still seems under the radar - surprising to me.

The more I watch the knicks, the more I am convinced that no matter how talented Frye is, he is probably the one to be moved. I actually prefer him to Curry (because he plays with more effort), but IT loves Curry, and with Lee being the perfect backup - Frye will likely not reach his potential here. It's not just his chemistry with Curry on the court...you can usually only have 1-2 players develop significantly at one time. You need vets to balance out the team, and allow the young guys their time to grow. Can you think of another team that developed their entire frontcourt (at the same time) quickly? Even the Bulls ended up trading both Curry and Chandler eventually, because it took those two a long time to develop at all. I like Frye, would never want to trade Lee, and IT loves Curry too much. So why waste anymore time? Frye, packaged along with any of the following: Nate, Collins, Crawford, Francis, Jeffries, etc... could bring us a reasonably talented PF. So while players like Gooden, Boozer, Odom (examples only) may be older, overpaid, etc - they might fit better and allow Curry and Lee to maximize their potentials in a shorter period of time. So, if you agree...who are the PFs that can be acquired and would help this team? They need to rebound well (to offset Curry) and play defense. Any ideas or thoughts?

Good point about Frye and Curry. I was shocked when the two of them were having good games together immediately after the brawl, that was a first for the two of them, but it's looking like it's not something that can be sustained.

From Isiah's comments of late, I wouldn't be surprised if he was looking to package Frye and Jamal (or someone else) for a shooter. I think Lee and Jefferies and even Balkman can cover the four and you can even go big and play Cato/James and Curry side by side for stretches.

I wonder if Isiah will try to get a guy like Ray Allen. I don't know of too many other shooters that are available. I think the primary needs of this team right now are in the backcourt - a playmaking point guard who can keep the defense honest with his shooting would be ideal, but they need a legit shooter who can provide enough defense to stay on the floor and keep defenses from suffocating Curry.

I would not be surprised at all to see Frye moved in the next six weeks. I don't think it's a bad idea, unfortunately, I don't trust Zeke to make the right move. Right now Frye is really our ONLY chip we have to get better. I think we should move him, but move him wisely.

Posted by crzymdups:

The other factor is that Frye and Curry played great together when they were playing with Lee at SF. I really think they should go back to that lineup. If nothing else, it would pump up Frye's value for a trade.

Not using that lineup is terribly idiotic. You have to see if that works over the long term before moving Frye, but I doubt we will, because Jefferies is such a "glue guy" that he just makes everything work SO WELL.

each of the past 3 years, the knicks go on this nice spurt where they win a couple of games. but then, inevitably, they return to earth and more often than not, have the bottom fall out.

we were 16-13 with 3 wins in a row, then followed that up with 2-13.
we won 6 in a row, then lost 2 starters and the season was over.
we won 4 of 5 (all home games) and then proceed to put up 3 stinkers in a row on the road.





[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-03-2007 6:41 PM]

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by crzymdups:

The other factor is that Frye and Curry played great together when they were playing with Lee at SF. I really think they should go back to that lineup. If nothing else, it would pump up Frye's value for a trade.

Not using that lineup is terribly idiotic. You have to see if that works over the long term before moving Frye, but I doubt we will, because Jefferies is such a "glue guy" that he just makes everything work SO WELL.

each of the past 3 years, the knicks go on this nice spurt where they win a couple of games. but then, inevitably, they return to earth and more often than not, have the bottom fall out.

we were 16-13 with 3 wins in a row, then followed that up with 2-13.
we won 6 in a row, then lost 2 starters and the season was over.
we won 4 of 5 (all home games) and then proceed to put up 3 stinkers in a row on the road.



[Edited by - djsunyc on 01-03-2007 6:41 PM]

the first two years, it was injury, in 04-05 we lost Crawford, Houston and Nazr (got injured but kept playing) and then last year Marbury went down.

This year we got worse when a player came back, because Isiah went away from the starting lineup that was working. I really hope he goes back to what was working soon. I understand his comment about Jefferies protecting a teammate, but he also has to look at what's best for the team and the bottom line is that Frye and Curry play much better with Lee on the floor.

I was curious how you knew that Kings fans loved Lee and Curry? Is that your opinion or did some tell you that?

Posted by jskinny35:

I went to last night's game and thought I would share a few thoughts... All the Kings fans were envious of Lee and Curry. No mention of Frye and Marbury. Even when Crawford was hitting 3's, the fans would comment on his skill and undisciplined shooting. The guy behind me was explaining to his friend how talented Crawford was, but how his streak shooting often came back to hurt the knicks. While he wasn't exactly right last night, clearly the Sacramento fans are somewhat knowledgeable. Also, they LOVE Bibby there, and seem indifferent to Artest, even though he is clearly their best player. Kevin Martin still seems under the radar - surprising to me.

The more I watch the knicks, the more I am convinced that no matter how talented Frye is, he is probably the one to be moved. I actually prefer him to Curry (because he plays with more effort), but IT loves Curry, and with Lee being the perfect backup - Frye will likely not reach his potential here. It's not just his chemistry with Curry on the court...you can usually only have 1-2 players develop significantly at one time. You need vets to balance out the team, and allow the young guys their time to grow. Can you think of another team that developed their entire frontcourt (at the same time) quickly? Even the Bulls ended up trading both Curry and Chandler eventually, because it took those two a long time to develop at all. I like Frye, would never want to trade Lee, and IT loves Curry too much. So why waste anymore time? Frye, packaged along with any of the following: Nate, Collins, Crawford, Francis, Jeffries, etc... could bring us a reasonably talented PF. So while players like Gooden, Boozer, Odom (examples only) may be older, overpaid, etc - they might fit better and allow Curry and Lee to maximize their potentials in a shorter period of time. So, if you agree...who are the PFs that can be acquired and would help this team? They need to rebound well (to offset Curry) and play defense. Any ideas or thoughts?

nice, thanks.

Sugar Ray,
The fans were making comments about Lee and Curry. Fans behind me, at the concessions stand - all about Lee and Curry (Can't we get a rebound with Lee there, I didn't know Lee was this good, Curry is manhandling our team). It was nice to hear such positive things from opposing fans, as I didn't think any opposing fans would have much positive to say about the knicks (considering I'm a knick fan and I usually don't have too much positive to say :)

Posted by PhilinLA:

Jefferies is screwing up the frontline chemistry we had.

it was evident that we shouldn't have messed with what was working, everyone saw that but the most important person ASSiah