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Armondaone
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1/1/2007  12:40 PM
I know there is Crawford and q maybe collins. We are getting killed now. I could barely watch the clippers game. The formula is double curry and let the rest of them shot. Crawford is way off when he is off and way on when he is on. I need more consistency. Q I know he is probably our best player next to curry but I can't have these long injuries that take him out for 10 -15 games. I don’t want to say it but we need to trade him when his value is somewhat good. Collins he gets a pass due to being a rook. And just in case somehow there is an argument saying the losing is due to the nate-denver fight. That fight did more positive than negative for the team. We need a legit shooting guard. I don't know how is available or not. Usually this site comes up with some trades that actually happen. so can we start a list of possibles that could happen using any players except curry, lee, and marbury.( think that’s our core right there Frye might need to be used for trade leverage) I already now some of you are going to put mike miller(I know a SF) and ray Allen( my hope), but is there any more??? Thanks

[Edited by - armondaone on 01-01-2007 12:50 PM]
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1/1/2007  12:51 PM
I'd put Frye in our core ahead of Marbury. The guy has only personally been successful while his team has not. He is basically 30 on bad ankles, bad knees, an insane contract and he cant hit an outside shot. Frye can hitthe outside shot, he is 23-24, and he is cheap
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1/1/2007  1:14 PM
now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.
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1/1/2007  2:40 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

Yes, but Nate is piss poor defender and still doesn't make good decisions in general. At 5'7 he needs to play smarter and stop yapping at the officials. The guy will probably have a target on this chest till he retires because of the brawl and his big mouth. I love his hustle and heart, but this position is critical in todays game. Nate is a specialty player/gunner off the bench imho.

Now's the time we realize no team wins big without at least one strong wing player (which we're not even close to having). I don't care how much effort Q gives on defense, he's not the solution. The guy has never shot for a high percentage and can't create for himself. Stopgap, but we need an upgrade, next....

I don't think Chuckford will ever significantly change his shot selection or care about playign defense, so coming off the bench is his perma-role. Memo to Jamal: Take it to the rack son, stop settling for off-balance junk. If he or Nate could run the offense without getting shot-happy, things might be different.

Collins, Balk can spot minutes here but neither are the long-term solution. If Balk could find a shot and Mardy was more assertive maybe, but I'd look elsewhere.

I totally agree with you Armondaone, but how do you propose us getting a legit shooter/scorer without giving up a significant piece? Artest and MoPete could get added to your list.

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1/1/2007  2:57 PM
I've been saying for awhile that the ENTIRE backcourt needs to be rebuilt. If you wanna ride and die with Crawford, go ahead, but you better bring in a coach who is gonna kill him for every mistake, like how Larry Brown probably did. Then you'll have a solid guard. Also though, you gotto look to get rid of Franbury, b/c it's clearly not working out, and Steph is just too inconsistent, and you can't rely on Q anymore because of his back spasms. I love the guy to death, but these back spasms has been putting him on the inactive list for a few years now.

We need a point guard and a SG and a PG equally. Our backcourt is so confusing b/c it has so much talent, yet it's probably the worst in the NBA. I have no solutions on how to fix it, b/c I know they wont happen, but it still has to be rebuilt.
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1/1/2007  3:16 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

I've been saying for awhile that the ENTIRE backcourt needs to be rebuilt. If you wanna ride and die with Crawford, go ahead, but you better bring in a coach who is gonna kill him for every mistake, like how Larry Brown probably did. Then you'll have a solid guard. Also though, you gotto look to get rid of Franbury, b/c it's clearly not working out, and Steph is just too inconsistent, and you can't rely on Q anymore because of his back spasms. I love the guy to death, but these back spasms has been putting him on the inactive list for a few years now.

We need a point guard and a SG and a PG equally. Our backcourt is so confusing b/c it has so much talent, yet it's probably the worst in the NBA. I have no solutions on how to fix it, b/c I know they wont happen, but it still has to be rebuilt.

Ditto the boldparts Allan, I have been echoing these same sentiments for awhile myself.
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1/1/2007  3:25 PM
Posted by gr33d:
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

Yes, but Nate is piss poor defender and still doesn't make good decisions in general. At 5'7 he needs to play smarter and stop yapping at the officials. The guy will probably have a target on this chest till he retires because of the brawl and his big mouth. I love his hustle and heart, but this position is critical in todays game. Nate is a specialty player/gunner off the bench imho.

Now's the time we realize no team wins big without at least one strong wing player (which we're not even close to having). I don't care how much effort Q gives on defense, he's not the solution. The guy has never shot for a high percentage and can't create for himself. Stopgap, but we need an upgrade, next....

I don't think Chuckford will ever significantly change his shot selection or care about playign defense, so coming off the bench is his perma-role. Memo to Jamal: Take it to the rack son, stop settling for off-balance junk. If he or Nate could run the offense without getting shot-happy, things might be different.

Collins, Balk can spot minutes here but neither are the long-term solution. If Balk could find a shot and Mardy was more assertive maybe, but I'd look elsewhere.

I totally agree with you Armondaone, but how do you propose us getting a legit shooter/scorer without giving up a significant piece? Artest and MoPete could get added to your list.

I agree with your comments about Nate. I like him alot because I think he has the potential to be a really good scoring PG. He is probably our best perimeter shooter and can drive to the hole on anyone. What I don't understand is why he is having so many defensive issues this year. Last year, he looked like a good defensive player. This year, he has looked lost on defense. He really needs to work on that aspect of his game and get his emotions under control. If this guy matures and improves his defense and his ability to run a team, I think we would have a very solid backup/low end starting PG for the next 6-7 years. I think this guy can be better than Earl Boykins or Spud Webb (he will not be as good as Mugsy Bogues at running a team but he certainly will be a better offensive player).

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1/1/2007  4:18 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

I think this team would be so much better if we started JC and Nate, then sent Marbury/Francis Packing.
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1/1/2007  4:37 PM
Posted by Anji:
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

I think this team would be so much better if we started JC and Nate, then sent Marbury/Francis Packing.


Marbury has been solid on both ends of the floor (relatively speaking), not sure why you want him to go with francis, but to each his own.

The team is beginning to take shape...QRich, our unquestioned team leader, going down hasn't helped anybody either.
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1/1/2007  5:22 PM
Posted by gr33d:
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

Yes, but Nate is piss poor defender and still doesn't make good decisions in general. At 5'7 he needs to play smarter and stop yapping at the officials. The guy will probably have a target on this chest till he retires because of the brawl and his big mouth. I love his hustle and heart, but this position is critical in todays game. Nate is a specialty player/gunner off the bench imho.

Now's the time we realize no team wins big without at least one strong wing player (which we're not even close to having). I don't care how much effort Q gives on defense, he's not the solution. The guy has never shot for a high percentage and can't create for himself. Stopgap, but we need an upgrade, next....

I don't think Chuckford will ever significantly change his shot selection or care about playign defense, so coming off the bench is his perma-role. Memo to Jamal: Take it to the rack son, stop settling for off-balance junk. If he or Nate could run the offense without getting shot-happy, things might be different.

Collins, Balk can spot minutes here but neither are the long-term solution. If Balk could find a shot and Mardy was more assertive maybe, but I'd look elsewhere.

I totally agree with you Armondaone, but how do you propose us getting a legit shooter/scorer without giving up a significant piece? Artest and MoPete could get added to your list.

I have no clue what to do right now I don't know if Memphis and the Sonics are trying to rebuild and have a fire sale. I don't think that we can just get rid of Francis or marbury; I think they have to be packaged with someone young. I think q and craw have high trade value, that draft pick we have this year should only be used for a shooting guard like that guy cook from o state or a euro sg. If not our roster is full and trade it away to a rebuilding team like Philly maybe for korver (a guess probably not). I know he plays no D but the boy can shoot. I’ll take r.allen long contract over both q and craws. Good shooters can last in the NBA for long periods of time (like Reggie yeah I say like Reggie). How about peja take a risk on him trade one bad back for another?? Yeah I know we blew it with the Hart guy but too late to complain now. I can only hope for the worse with the other possible perspective teams causing a trade (not really the worse). I got to do some more research to see possible prospects. If we can't improve or get a new sg I.T. is a dead man walking.
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1/1/2007  6:01 PM
Posted by babyKnicks:
Posted by Anji:
Posted by babyKnicks:

now is the time we realize nate's 3pt shooting percentage.

I think this team would be so much better if we started JC and Nate, then sent Marbury/Francis Packing.
Honestly man, wasting a post about why marbury Can go is really a waste time. I used to defend this guy to the hilt... he doesn't deserve it man. THe guy should go for a million reasons, never is no aguring about it anymore.

Marbury has been solid on both ends of the floor (relatively speaking), not sure why you want him to go with francis, but to each his own.

The team is beginning to take shape...QRich, our unquestioned team leader, going down hasn't helped anybody either.

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1/1/2007  7:04 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Allanfan20:

I've been saying for awhile that the ENTIRE backcourt needs to be rebuilt. If you wanna ride and die with Crawford, go ahead, but you better bring in a coach who is gonna kill him for every mistake, like how Larry Brown probably did. Then you'll have a solid guard. Also though, you gotto look to get rid of Franbury, b/c it's clearly not working out, and Steph is just too inconsistent, and you can't rely on Q anymore because of his back spasms. I love the guy to death, but these back spasms has been putting him on the inactive list for a few years now.

We need a point guard and a SG and a PG equally. Our backcourt is so confusing b/c it has so much talent, yet it's probably the worst in the NBA. I have no solutions on how to fix it, b/c I know they wont happen, but it still has to be rebuilt.

Ditto the boldparts Allan, I have been echoing these same sentiments for awhile myself.

No doubt about it, we need an influx of youth in the backcourt that can grow along with our youthful front court. If we had that young backcourt I think the losses would be so much more easier to take because you know they (frontcourt/backcourt) would be learning and gainging valuable experience together.

But by having Marbury, Francis and even Craw to extent kind of confuses expectations of this team. On one hand its about time this team starts winning because of the experience of the backcourt. On the other hand, you expect lots of bumps in the road because of the inexperience in the front court. And the thing that makes everything even more confusing, is that the inexperienced frontcourt has been more consistant than the experienced backcourt. Go figure.

[Edited by - bigbeast on 01-01-2007 7:19 PM]
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1/1/2007  7:15 PM
Buy out Francis(or hope he retires) and Trade Crawford
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1/1/2007  8:25 PM
Posted by buddapaw:

Buy out Francis(or hope he retires) and Trade Crawford

Unfortunatley that's about all that can be done. We have to be realistic about this. It's not gonna get fixed quickly and this year isn't the end but the beginning of this process. I think our needs are crystal clear, but actually making a good move to try and fix our problem isn't gonna be easy. Heck all the teams in the East have some kind of issue with their Roster, we aren't the only ones. If you get impatient you run the risk of making a bad trade. There's no reason to panic. The problem isn't Steph. It's partly about not having Q and also having so many combo guards who aren't strong shooters. With Currry inside we need LOTS of perimeter shooting. Teams will just keep packing it in on us until we fix that need.

Q being back and healthy will make a HUGE difference over the rest of the year. Nate can also hit from outside, but his defense is suspect and so is his decision making, still he's a much better shooter than we give him credit for. If I was isiah i'd give Q the starting SG spot, limit Jamal's minutes and give Nate a bit more time if Jamal is off his game. The more I see Collins the better I'm starting to feel about him. He's not great at any one thing, but you can see he has an all around game and with his size he can be useful to us, down the line.
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1/1/2007  8:39 PM
the problem isn't steph but steph is part of the problem. he has no place on this team, especially moving forward. we have many holes that need to be filled and i'm not sure how we're going to go about filling them.
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1/1/2007  9:37 PM
SG is a weird position these days.... I dont know what you would call a "real" shooting gaurd maybe besides Ray Allen or Michael Redd. Jamal is pretty close he just needs to improve his shot selection
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1/1/2007  9:59 PM
We need to play team ball. Every game I watch seems to go from Good team ball to hellat-skellta basketball and I only blame marbuy. HE is suppose to bring the team back to playing team ball when that happens. I really don't not like him at all anymore............I wisj we could just play JC & Nate then see who wins more games!!!!!!!
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1/2/2007  7:13 AM
Posted by Elite:

SG is a weird position these days.... I dont know what you would call a "real" shooting gaurd maybe besides Ray Allen or Michael Redd. Jamal is pretty close he just needs to improve his shot selection

Sorry, but Jamal is not close to being in Redd's or Allen's class. It's not that complicated: We need a shooting guard who is a pure shooter. Allan Houston was a consummate shooting guard; Jamal Crawford is not.
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1/2/2007  8:29 AM
Jamal has a world of potential, but he is on the small side for a SG, does not play great defense, and has one of the worst shot selections in the league. When he is on, he is virtually unstoppable and can play near the level of an Allen or Redd. Unfortunately, he is not on nearly enough to justify his horrible shot selection and spotty defense. If Jamal could play at a higher level in regards to his decision making, he would be the ideal sixth man. As it stands right now, he is a flawed player that has the potential to further develop but may never truly understand how to play his position.
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