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Elite
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12/30/2006  2:06 PM
Isiah needs to make some changes. Jeffries is not a starter. I think that has been made clear, unless he picks it up big time. Also Steve is not healthy and he needs to sit. He's only hurting the team.

Besides that I think im still happy with this teams effort right now, we got flustered by the suns early and the turnovers killed us. Isiah should have tried to slow the game down from the start and played a zone early but he obvoiusly gave us a green light to try and run with the suns. Bad move, but i blame last night on coaching more than i do the players.

I'm looking forward to the game vs. LA I think it will be a more telling game than the Phoenix one.

I dont think The Phoenix game should hinder what we have accomplished recently, they are a weird team and it was a weird game, It was frustrating to watch but its one of the few times in the past few years im giving this team a pass and sayin lets move forward.

I suggest you all do the same. Dont trip!

[Edited by - elite on 30-12-2006 07:07 AM]
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12/30/2006  2:10 PM
No shame in losing to the 3rd best team in the league led by the current 2-time MVP. But we have to do something about these poor starts. I think Lee getting his starting job back is the first step to fixing that.
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12/30/2006  2:14 PM
The suns when clicking are a great team but Elite is right. JJ should not start. Isiah just doesnt get it. Tommorrow we play Kaman (who cut his hair). If Curry is rolling we need to ride him for 40-50 pts. If Curry is not rolling our next option should be Frye. I'm tired of seeing our guards throw up 50 shots a night and only hit 39%-50% of them.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  2:19 PM
how you gunna have a post team with a 3 that cant shoot? It doesent make sense... You have to kick to your 3 for a 3... Q Rich fits perfectly at the 3 for us.. you cant leave him open.

Frye or Lee is a tossup at this point.. I'd still like to see Lee start but im cool with Frye right now... Its jeffries and Francis that need to be reduced..

Jeffries can come in off the bench and cause some havoc when you got Frye/Lee/ up front... but not when you are going thru curry
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12/30/2006  2:21 PM
Lee and curry never should have been separated. I personally would start games with curry, Frye and Lee. I think whatever problems they have on defense will be made up on the boards, on offense and via chemistry. I would start Qrich at sg
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  2:25 PM
i would be down to try that Sugar and see how it works. But then you basically got no bigs for backup... unless you using Cato/Jeffries/Balkman which im not that mad at...

Point is there are better ways to do this, multiple ways. But Isiah is choosing not to use logic.
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12/30/2006  2:43 PM
Posted by Elite:

i would be down to try that Sugar and see how it works. But then you basically got no bigs for backup... unless you using Cato/Jeffries/Balkman which im not that mad at...

Point is there are better ways to do this, multiple ways. But Isiah is choosing not to use logic.

Isiah just does not seem to understand things. We start games 20points down. He puts lee in the starting lineup and that pretty much stops. Then he says we need lee on the 2nd unit so we start dropping down 20 again. If curry/Frye and Lee play 35 each it can be as starters. You rotate JJ and Balk in here and there while always leaving 2 of the 3 starting bigs in.
Example A: We are playing well. Curry is rolling with 12 points but needs a breather at the 2 minute mark. Sub in Balk at sf, Lee to PF frye to center. Curry comes back in sub Lee out, then Frye out and Lee back in.
Example B: Lee cant guard the opposing sf. Sub in Balkman or JJ.Then try the 3 bigs again together later.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  6:55 PM
You know what I find interesting and really why I think Curry will never be considered an elite center? Whether this guy has a great game, good game, or bad game it almost always has very little impact on the final results for the Knicks. Taking for example if Patrick Ewing had a more than solid game the Knicks always had a chance to win the game. A more recent example of big centers if Yao or Shaq (when he's playing of course)have a big game its almost automatic win or at the very least extremely difficult game for their opponents to pull out. Whereas Curry I've noticed he can sometimes disappear down the stretch. He could score 30 points and the Knicks could be getting completley blown out or blowing someone out. I think big-time centers put their own stamp on games they change games and dictate games Curry just does not do that. The center should be your anchor position (assuming you have a good one) and in a league with so few great centers and to have one that is somewhat decent when he's having a good game that should be giving you a solid chance to always win those games. Maybe its his mental make-up, lack of guts, personality, I don't know.
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12/30/2006  9:08 PM
Posted by bettalaylow:

You know what I find interesting and really why I think Curry will never be considered an elite center? Whether this guy has a great game, good game, or bad game it almost always has very little impact on the final results for the Knicks. Taking for example if Patrick Ewing had a more than solid game the Knicks always had a chance to win the game.
Yeah that explains why Patrick won 24 games when he was Currys age and averaging 21.5ppg. Meanwhile we are a 500 team when Curry scores 20ppg or more. Nice try, lol. :)


[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-30-2006 9:09 PM]
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  10:05 PM
First off Patrick came into the league at much older age; you know he was busy winning NCAA Championships and graduating for Georgetown as opposed to eating himself silly like Curry was doing in his younger years. Ewing was a second year player and what year is Curry in (im sure you know) his SIXTH SEASON! But please lets compare. That same season you mentioned Ewing NOT only averaged 21.5 points but also averaged 9 boards and over 2 blocks a game. Yes the team sucked but they clearly had a franchise player on their hands in NY. In his sixth season (which Curry is currently in)and more appro comparison he averaged 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks hahahahahaha you should be ashamed for even trying to compare these two even remotely (oh and he made the playoffs). If I recall correctly I believe Curry won 23 games in his fifth season whereas Patrick in his fifth his team won 45 games second round in the playoffs all the while averaging 28 points 11 boards and 3 blocks hahahahaha just stop right there because your going to get blasted on this one.

But wait I guess I'm suppose to be impressed that games where Curry scores 20pts were .500 not .750 not .800 but a whopping .500 this of course through the span of 30 games and not entire NBA season. Yea that was terrible of me to say Curry really is a game changer like Patrick hahahhahaha
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12/30/2006  10:12 PM
Posted by bettalaylow:

First off Patrick came into the league at much older age; you know he was busy winning NCAA Championships and graduating for Georgetown as opposed to eating himself silly like Curry was doing in his younger years. Ewing was a second year player and what year is Curry in (im sure you know) his SIXTH SEASON! But please lets compare. That same season you mentioned Ewing NOT only averaged 21.5 points but also averaged 9 boards and over 2 blocks a game. Yes the team sucked but they clearly had a franchise player on their hands in NY. In his sixth season (which Curry is currently in)and more appro comparison he averaged 27 points, 11 rebounds, and 3 blocks hahahahahaha you should be ashamed for even trying to compare these two even remotely (oh and he made the playoffs). If I recall correctly I believe Curry won 23 games in his fifth season whereas Patrick in his fifth his team won 45 games second round in the playoffs all the while averaging 28 points 11 boards and 3 blocks hahahahaha just stop right there because your going to get blasted on this one.

But wait I guess I'm suppose to be impressed that games where Curry scores 20pts were .500 not .750 not .800 but a whopping .500 this of course through the span of 30 games and not entire NBA season. Yea that was terrible of me to say Curry really is a game changer like Patrick hahahhahaha


LOL its always funny to see a hater change the standard when called upon. First of all Patrick one a single ncaa championship I believe. He lost to north carolina and vilonova. He beat houston.
2 age is age regardless of where you spend it. Curry should be held to the same standard as an 18 year old rookie as a 23 yeear old rookie? what sense would that make? lastely your hateraid shows clearly when you start reaching for the curry is fat insults. Nobody ever said Curry was Patrick. You said that Curry got wins ala patrick with big games. I mearly pointed out the fact that Patrick had many great games at age 24 and his team still won only 24 games. so your statement was a reach. Then again it was just your most recent way to try and bash Curry. Too bad it was a joke. Keep searching for new ways to bash him. A true fan would probably try to support the guy but you rather be a hater.
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/30/2006  11:04 PM
LOL its always funny to see a hater change the standard when called upon. First of all Patrick one a single ncaa championship I believe. He lost to north carolina and vilonova. He beat houston.

I'm the hater your the same guy thats trying to minimize a NCAA Championship and 3 Final Four Appearances lol.
age is age regardless of where you spend it. Curry should be held to the same standard as an 18 year old rookie as a 23 yeear old rookie? what sense would that make?
Don't bother even mentioning them in the same sentence except to say that Ewing is the standard that Curry can only hope to one day even touch certaintely not maintain.
lastely your hateraid shows clearly when you start reaching for the curry is fat insults. Nobody ever said Curry was Patrick.

Oh so Curry wasn't a fatass his first 5 seasons in the NBA? Not that he's the picture of fitness now.
I mearly pointed out the fact that Patrick had many great games at age 24 and his team still won only 24 games. so your statement was a reach.

Great games come on Curry hasn't played an big game ever in his life. He never went to college and he was hurt during the Bulls playoff games so don't tell me jack about great games. This is a clear example of you spinning things to further this absurd notion that Curry is some legit powerhouse center. Are you seriously trying to use the fact that Ewing played four years in college against him. Playing in college and playing in the NBA are two entirely different things. Intially Ewing came in was just this massive force but learning to take your team to the next level is a l-e-a-r-n-i-n-g experience. Its not a overnight thing especially when you walk into a crappy team. Sure the team sucked when he was 24 but his numbers were significantly better than Curry's and Ewing went on to become one of the greatest to play the game so really just stop talking about him lol. And last time I checked the Knicks didn't finish their season so its a bit premature with "when he was 24 he did this, this, and this". We're getting away from the real debate. Ewing I don't see how any Knick fan could disagree with this was a Franchise player. This guy consistently put up not good but great numbers for his entire Knick career (I don't count the Scott Layden year)he was a warrior and a winner. Curry just does not have that sort of prescence, guts, and heart to play at that level. At least not now (probably not ever). Look I get that you love the guy but you need to prepare yourelf to accept some hard truths about Curry. Remember he is the same 7fter who thus far in his career averaged 5 rebounds and no blocked shots.

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12/31/2006  12:04 AM
DLEE needs to start.
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12/31/2006  12:16 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Lee and curry never should have been separated. I personally would start games with curry, Frye and Lee. I think whatever problems they have on defense will be made up on the boards, on offense and via chemistry. I would start Qrich at sg

problem with that lineup is, currently Lee has no jump shot, teams will not even guard him. The past few games the opponents have eddy scouted so well, they are either doubling before he gets it or as soon as he gets it. They will leave Lee, JJ open every time, balkman as well. We really miss Q, they can't double off of him, he really spaces the floor at the 3 position. Lee deserves to start, but I am worried he would get into early foul trouble guarding better Pfs of the league.
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12/31/2006  9:04 AM
Posted by Michael6835:

problem with that lineup is, currently Lee has no jump shot, teams will not even guard him. The past few games the opponents have eddy scouted so well, they are either doubling before he gets it or as soon as he gets it. They will leave Lee, JJ open every time, balkman as well. We really miss Q, they can't double off of him, he really spaces the floor at the 3 position. Lee deserves to start, but I am worried he would get into early foul trouble guarding better Pfs of the league.

100% agree. Lee needs to be a threat to be a starter, not only a good rebounding machine. Right now, when he gets the ball and isn't guarded too far to dunk, he stands there doing nothing. Don't overestimate Lee. He's very good no doubt and I love the guy, but right now, teams are adapting and he'll hurt us in the long run.
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12/31/2006  10:26 AM
Posted by raven:
Posted by Michael6835:

problem with that lineup is, currently Lee has no jump shot, teams will not even guard him. The past few games the opponents have eddy scouted so well, they are either doubling before he gets it or as soon as he gets it. They will leave Lee, JJ open every time, balkman as well. We really miss Q, they can't double off of him, he really spaces the floor at the 3 position. Lee deserves to start, but I am worried he would get into early foul trouble guarding better Pfs of the league.
100% agree. Lee needs to be a threat to be a starter, not only a good rebounding machine. Right now, when he gets the ball and isn't guarded too far to dunk, he stands there doing nothing. Don't overestimate Lee. He's very good no doubt and I love the guy, but right now, teams are adapting and he'll hurt us in the long run.


agreed...frye needs to start and lee needs to continue to dominate from the bench.

eventually everyone will see it...Curry's 20 point game streak ended when qrich went down, it had absolutely nothing to do with lee.


[Edited by - babyknicks on 12-31-2006 10:27 AM]
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12/31/2006  11:55 AM
Posted by babyKnicks:
Posted by raven:
Posted by Michael6835:

problem with that lineup is, currently Lee has no jump shot, teams will not even guard him. The past few games the opponents have eddy scouted so well, they are either doubling before he gets it or as soon as he gets it. They will leave Lee, JJ open every time, balkman as well. We really miss Q, they can't double off of him, he really spaces the floor at the 3 position. Lee deserves to start, but I am worried he would get into early foul trouble guarding better Pfs of the league.
100% agree. Lee needs to be a threat to be a starter, not only a good rebounding machine. Right now, when he gets the ball and isn't guarded too far to dunk, he stands there doing nothing. Don't overestimate Lee. He's very good no doubt and I love the guy, but right now, teams are adapting and he'll hurt us in the long run.


agreed...frye needs to start and lee needs to continue to dominate from the bench.

eventually everyone will see it...Curry's 20 point game streak ended when qrich went down, it had absolutely nothing to do with lee.


[Edited by - babyknicks on 12-31-2006 10:27 AM]

The 20ppg streak had more to do with Curry than Lee or qrich but he obviously plays better with both. What most people do not realize is that even after Currys 11 game streak ended he has still averaged around 18.3ppg in the next 8 games since the streak ended. That despite double and tripple teams. That tells me the streak was no fluke and that he really has progressed this year
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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