Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Curry
Frye
Lee
Qrich
Jcraw

Posted by oohah:

^^^^So we are putting Marbury on the bench after scoring bunches of points recently (41, in the 20's and 30's, all but 1 game were wins.), proving unequivocally that as he goes so do the Knicks, and when he is playing well, he is the best player by a good margin?

Why again?

oohah

Posted by oohah:

I'm not going to bash our players but lets look at your statement. You say how Marbury goes we go. Well we are 13-19. Is that how we want to go? Last season our teams record was almost identical without him as with him. When many players on this team are hot they could claim to be the best player but who has produced most nights not just when they are hot for a few games? Qrich is a better all around team player to me.

Its not Marbury Vs. Q Richardson. It's Marbury Vs. anybody you have starting at PG ahead of him. Q Rich is not a PG, nor is Crawford, no matter how much people want to be. Marbury is the best PG on the team, and the best player on the team when he is playing well. That is a reality we have to live with right now.

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Now lets look at this statement:

You say how Marbury goes we go. Well we are 13-19. Is that how we want to go?

Since it is very obvious that when Marbury pays well the Knicks are a much better team, and he is the best player, the answer is to put him on the bench?

So benching Marbury makes the team better? Removing him makes the record better? I am not sure of the logic of that statement.

I don't get it.

oohah

Posted by oohah:

I never said to bench him. I just would not start him. You say he is our best player. I just do not agree with that. I feel on any given night Curry, Frye, Lee, Qrich, or Jcraw can be our best players and have been more often then Marbury this year. When all our players play well we are a better team not just Marbury but who has played well most often this year?

Marbury would still play 29 minutes in my rotation. He just would not start. I'd rather start Jcraw at PG and Qrich at sg. That is my opinion. Here would be my rotation if limited to 8 men.

Curry 35
Frye 35
Lee 32
Qrich 32
Jcraw 35

Marbury 29
Nate 16
Balkman 26

If expanded to 9-10 men then Jefries and Cato would get some minutes as well.

Actually what I wrote is that when Marbury is playing well, he is our best player. You've seen it: When Marbury is anything like his old self the team just plays better as a whole.

I don't believe he will keep playing as badly as he has over the first quarter of the season, do you? Don't you think he will play much better? And he has shown that he won't play that bad, in fact he will probably play pretty well, unless he forgot how to play B-Ball over the summer. I think he was just in a slump. It happens to all players.

The alternative to is to play not a real PG at PG. I don't think that bodes for success.

Hey, it's just my opinion too! But just so you know, Marbury will be starting no matter what we think so we might as well get used to it, and just hope he can maintain his current return to his normal level of play throughout his career.

oohah

Not only he is our best player when he is on but the Knicks have not proved they can win without him playing well...Drawing up a scenario where Marbury isn't starting and getting major minutes is just silly because of what he means to the success of the team...

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by oohah:

I never said to bench him. I just would not start him. You say he is our best player. I just do not agree with that. I feel on any given night Curry, Frye, Lee, Qrich, or Jcraw can be our best players and have been more often then Marbury this year. When all our players play well we are a better team not just Marbury but who has played well most often this year?

Marbury would still play 29 minutes in my rotation. He just would not start. I'd rather start Jcraw at PG and Qrich at sg. That is my opinion. Here would be my rotation if limited to 8 men.

Curry 35
Frye 35
Lee 32
Qrich 32
Jcraw 35

Marbury 29
Nate 16
Balkman 26

If expanded to 9-10 men then Jefries and Cato would get some minutes as well.

Actually what I wrote is that when Marbury is playing well, he is our best player. You've seen it: When Marbury is anything like his old self the team just plays better as a whole.

I don't believe he will keep playing as badly as he has over the first quarter of the season, do you? Don't you think he will play much better? And he has shown that he won't play that bad, in fact he will probably play pretty well, unless he forgot how to play B-Ball over the summer. I think he was just in a slump. It happens to all players.

The alternative to is to play not a real PG at PG. I don't think that bodes for success.

Hey, it's just my opinion too! But just so you know, Marbury will be starting no matter what we think so we might as well get used to it, and just hope he can maintain his current return to his normal level of play throughout his career.

oohah

Not only he is our best player when he is on but the Knicks have not proved they can win without him playing well...Drawing up a scenario where Marbury isn't starting and getting major minutes is just silly because of what he means to the success of the team...

Our teams record without him last year was almost indentical to with him so thats just not accurate. Nobody is saying to bench him. If guys like Kevin Mchale and John Halicheck could come off the bench why is it below Marbury?

As far as this year goes giving him credit for all our wins is as insane as giving him credit for allour losses.
We have won games with him scoring 41 points and we have won games with him scoring 2 points. In fact we have won 2 games this year with him scoring 2 points in each

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Posted by holfresh:

Posted by oohah:

I never said to bench him. I just would not start him. You say he is our best player. I just do not agree with that. I feel on any given night Curry, Frye, Lee, Qrich, or Jcraw can be our best players and have been more often then Marbury this year. When all our players play well we are a better team not just Marbury but who has played well most often this year?

Marbury would still play 29 minutes in my rotation. He just would not start. I'd rather start Jcraw at PG and Qrich at sg. That is my opinion. Here would be my rotation if limited to 8 men.

Curry 35
Frye 35
Lee 32
Qrich 32
Jcraw 35

Marbury 29
Nate 16
Balkman 26

If expanded to 9-10 men then Jefries and Cato would get some minutes as well.

Actually what I wrote is that when Marbury is playing well, he is our best player. You've seen it: When Marbury is anything like his old self the team just plays better as a whole.

I don't believe he will keep playing as badly as he has over the first quarter of the season, do you? Don't you think he will play much better? And he has shown that he won't play that bad, in fact he will probably play pretty well, unless he forgot how to play B-Ball over the summer. I think he was just in a slump. It happens to all players.

The alternative to is to play not a real PG at PG. I don't think that bodes for success.

Hey, it's just my opinion too! But just so you know, Marbury will be starting no matter what we think so we might as well get used to it, and just hope he can maintain his current return to his normal level of play throughout his career.

oohah

Not only he is our best player when he is on but the Knicks have not proved they can win without him playing well...Drawing up a scenario where Marbury isn't starting and getting major minutes is just silly because of what he means to the success of the team...

Our teams record without him last year was almost indentical to with him so thats just not accurate. Nobody is saying to bench him. If guys like Kevin Mchale and John Halicheck could come off the bench why is it below Marbury?

As far as this year goes giving him credit for all our wins is as insane as giving him credit for allour losses.
We have won games with him scoring 41 points and we have won games with him scoring 2 points. In fact we have won 2 games this year with him scoring 2 points in each

Numbers aside, the fact remains the Knicks are better when he is at his best...No player on the Knicks has played as well as Marbury when he is at his best...Limiting his minutes proves what point???

That isnt a fact. That is your opinion. And even if it was true 5 games out of 33 doesnt make a season. Its not about limiting his minutes. Its about chemistry. Why should Lee, Qrich or Jcraw not start when they have out produced Marbury all season? He could even play the same amount of minutes off the bench as a 3rd guard ala Vinnie Johnson. He wants to shoot. He likes the ball in his hands all the time. I believe the team would be better with the 5 guys I mentioned starting. When your starting PG plays 35 minutes a night with the ball in his hands constantly and only averages 5 assists a game and doesnt even have 1 single 10 assist game all year then maybe its time to put him in a roll of scorer and lets somebody else start at pg. Marbury probably would view it as an insult but I bet he would love to just come in and roll up points off the bench like Vinnie Johnson. He would much rather shoot than pass anyway.