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12/25/2006  9:03 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpjGfJNZUbU&mode=related&search=9/11%20September%2011%20911%20WTC%20conspiracy%20theories
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12/26/2006  6:47 AM
pt 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R65hoa8Ccj4
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12/26/2006  1:25 PM
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

I've been getting a lot of email lately from people sending me this stupid 9/11 conspiracy video called "Loose Change." I've tried to ignore it for months now, but you morons keep forwarding it to me, and I keep having to add more email addresses to my spam filter. The ironic part is that I'm a huge conspiracy nut, and even I can't stomach this bull****. For example, I believe that there is a small, reptile-like creature called Chupacabra that sucks the blood of goats in Mexico. Area 51? Hell yes. Roswell? Pass me the Kool-Aid. But "Loose Change" elevates bull**** to an artform. Watching this video is like being bukakked with stupid.

Unlike others who debunk 9/11 conspiracy theories, or "cons" for short, I'm not going to bother with going through intricate point-by-point rebuttals, or pointing out the hundreds of factual inaccuracies and outright lies in this "documentary," because I don't need to. In fact, I can debunk the entire story with one simple observation:

The fact that this man is alive...

...is proof that "Loose Change" is bull****.

Here's why:

1. The man in the picture above is Dylan Avery. To be more precise, the fact that Dylan, his friends, and family are alive, is proof that "Loose Change" is bull****. He, along with a couple of his friends, created a 9/11 conspiracy video claiming that the US government and the military caused 9/11. Take a closer look at the last part of that last sentence: he's claiming that the US government, for whatever ends, killed nearly 3,000 innocent Americans, and tens if not hundreds of thousands of more lives in the conflicts that ensued because of it.

2. Since Dylan's arguing that the government has no problem killing 3,000 innocent people, this raises the question: if his documentary is true, and we've established that the government has no ethical qualms about killing thousands of its own people, then why wouldn't the government kill Avery and his friends as well? What's a few more lives to them to ensure the success of this conspiracy?

Whatever reason it may be that the government supposedly orchestrated this conspiracy, it must have been worth it to them to cause so much suffering and loss of life. So if there's any truth to this, then you can bet your ass that the government wouldn't let a couple of pecker-neck chumps with a couple of Macs and too much time on their hands jeopardise their entire operation by letting this stupid video float around on the Internet. I can picture you morons emailing me now: "BUT MADOX, MAYBE DYLAN POSTED IT ON THE INTERNET BEFORE THE GOVERNMENT HAD A CHANCE TO REMOVE IT LOL." Yeah, too bad this rebuttal is inconsistent with the premise of Dylan's ****-festival of a movie: that the WTC was brought down "in a carefully planned and controlled demolition ... and it was pulled off with military precision." Now we're expected to believe that the same government that was able to commit the largest terrorist operation in history--with military precision no less--is suddenly too incompetent to sniff out and shut down a little website set up by some college losers within days, if not minutes of its creation? The US government has the capability to monitor every electronic communication made anywhere in the world, yet we're expected to believe that they wouldn't be able to nix this kid long before his video ever became popular?

I win. There is no conspiracy. Eat my ****, losers.

The other type of 9/11 conspiracy email you dip****s keep sending is the $20 dollar WTC conspiracy. Glenn Beck--a loud-mouthed, fat-faced ******* on CNN--has a copy of it on his website:

The new U.S. $20 dollar bill contains hidden pictures of the World Trade Center and Pentagon attacks!

Yes! see for yourself...

1st) FOLD A NEW $20 BILL THIS WAY:

2nd) CONTINUE TO FOLD THIS WAY
Compare your fold precisely to this picture.

3rd) FOLD THE RIGHT SIDE UNDER,
exactly as you folded the left side.

You'll immediately see the Pentagon ablaze! (red circle)

4th) NOW FLIP IT OVER AND SEE OTHER SIDE

The Twin Towers of the World Trade Center are hit and smoking.

What are the odds that a simple geometric folding of the $20 bill would accidentally contain a representation of both terror attacks?

What are the odds that a simple geometric folding of a $20 bill with elements of design that were conceived in 1928 by a committee of treasurers, a full 42 years before the World Trade Center even existed, could accidentally contain a representation of both terror attacks? Pretty good, apparently.

The article on Beck's page goes on to ask: Need even more proof? No, you ****! You had me at "the U.S. $20 dollar bill contains hidden pictures of the World Trade Center." As if a folded picture of shrubbery on a bill that kind of looks like smoke wasn't convincing enough of a conspiracy
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12/26/2006  2:23 PM
i understand your misgivings about this largely sensationalized video, but take out all the melodramatic musical accompaniment, the menacing narrative, & all the extraneous elements & this video does raise some valid questions imo, the biggest being WTC building #7.

the explanations offered by the 9/11 commission seem unfathomable to me when you consider how fast the building collapsed & the manner in which it did... the fact that it was never hit by any planes, none of the buildings surrounding it were damaged nearly to that extent, & that the cause of the fires were attributed to among other things, collateral fire damage from falling debris of the 2 towers, to believe that this would lead to a collapse of that nature raises questions in my mind if nothing else... if it is true that the building contained a ton of sensitive US Treasury & other gov't related documents, then you have to at least question this, don't you?

not saying i buy into this entirely, but there are also some questions this video & some others like it do raise that are hard to explain if you go strictly by what the government is offering as an explanation imho. believe me, i'm not big on conspiracy theories either... but some things just don't seem to add up.
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12/26/2006  5:31 PM
If anyone with common sense can see the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon couldn't even be shown , even though there were numerous cameras from many angles from the highway to the gas station to the pentagon itself.

I am ex military, and the pentagon is one of the most hardest places to get to outside of the whitehouse.

ASK MILTARY personel in OTHER countries how difficult it is to engage the untited states with out our own military knowing about it.

Our intelligence is too sophistcated to allow these so called men to cause the damage they caused with the United States knowing not even about it before hand.

Pearl Harbor was the same way, history tells us that the Japanese suprised us that day, but in all reality we intercepted their signals but was told to keep quiet so we could go to war with Japan and destroy it and then rebuild. FOR FREAKIN RE-CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS !

Our country has been hijacked and americans are too busy watching sports , american Idol and cops to even think this could happen in this country.

[Edited by - playa2 on 12-27-2006 01:22]
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12/26/2006  6:19 PM
A-Z Satanic inside job and planned mass murders.



A-Z of a satanic inside job & planned mass murder
A) Thermite traces on ground Zero
B) Freefall in 10 seconds
C) perfect implosion into T own footprints
D) unusual powerdown and "cabling" prior to 9/11
E) pyroclastic flow
F) Satelite thermal picture (2000° days after collapse)
G) firemen report sequenz of explosions b4 collapse
h) quake b4 collapse - registered
i) explosion in the lobby prior to collapse
j) silverstein: "we had to pull it"
k) liquid metal running out the building
L) white smoke =indicates explosives
M) quick removement of evidence (shipped to china)
N) pulverized concrete
O) yellow powder on ground zero (indiz. explosives)
P) " We need a new Pearl harbour"
Q) sudden change of ID on flight 175
R) No logos of airline on the planes
S) firemen reported explosions in the 8th & 12th F.
T) WTC7 falls down by itself - most suspect
U) experts say: "professional controlled demolition"
V) no big rubble at all
W) Brainwashing mediadisinformation
X) Poetryhound and other infiltrator discrediting every single logical evidence here on youtube (Paid by gov.)
Y) ridicolous unrealistic official version in total
Z) ridicolous pancake theory denied by many experts
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12/28/2006  2:18 AM
If the government orchestrated 9/11 as you believe, then why does al qaeda take credit for it? Are we secretly friends with Osama as well?
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12/28/2006  9:02 AM
You didn't know the Bush sr and family is friends with Osama's family ?

Where have you been ???
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12/28/2006  1:18 PM
Posted by playa2:

You didn't know the Bush sr and family is friends with Osama's family ?

Where have you been ???

You didn't know that the Bin Laden family expelled Osama out of the country since the early 90s and want nothing to do with him? Where have you been?


[Edited by - jaydh on 12-28-2006 1:20 PM]
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12/31/2006  12:15 PM
Now you see why it was easy to use OSAMA as a scapegoat.

Any lights going on now


Osama BinLaden has always been the pawn used beteween the BinLaden family and United States.

This country has been Hijacked and no one wants to believe it.

Prescott Bush is the one who started it all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush

They went to war with bad intentions.....greed, power and wealth



[Edited by - playa2 on 12-31-2006 05:24]
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12/31/2006  11:47 PM
Now I hate Bush as much as anyone, but to say that we planned 9/11, that it was a conspiracy and an inside job, well thats just ignorant.
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1/1/2007  3:34 PM
Dude nobody in the history of the united states have attacked us on our soil without us knowing about it remember(pearl harbor).

And now with increased technology in the UNITED STATES you think we wouldn't have stop those planes if it was a foreign entity trying to destroy all the financial gurus in the WTC that day.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01-02-2007 12:57]
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1/4/2007  12:50 PM
Honestly if anyone actually thinks that the government planned a perfectly planned attack involving thousands of US citizens, foreign nationals, and Military without any security leaks is an idiot. Seriously very unintelligent.



EDIT: No disrespect to anybody in particular

[Edited by - izybx on 01-04-2007 2:17 PM]
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1/4/2007  1:02 PM
Posted by playa2:

Dude nobody in the history of the united states have attacked us on our soil without us knowing about it remember(pearl harbor).

And now with increased technology in the UNITED STATES you think we wouldn't have stop those planes if it was a foreign entity trying to destroy all the financial gurus in the WTC that day.

[Edited by - playa2 on 01-02-2007 12:57]

Since you have one example to cite, Pearl Harbor, in which there was sketchy intelligence of radio and radar intercepts yet we somehow decided to leave 5 of our best battleships in station along with hundreds of planes to get destroyed by the Japanese (effectively disabling our entire pacific fleet) , even tho we couldve moved our entire fleet, let the japanese attack empty air bases, and still had a basis for declaring war "for reconstruction contracts LMFAO". Nut cases like to point out that we moved our Aircraft carriers before the attack as proof that we had known of what was coming, but the fact is that ships move in peacetime often, rarely staying in port for months on end.

So your one example of how we have always known of attacks on our soil is baseless, with no evidence except for a couple of nutjobs citing radar intercepts and ship movements.

And obviously the increased technology doesnt help, because we didnt know. I majored in Security and Intelligence, and took an entire course in signals intelligence. If you had any idea the amount of raw data that comes from open sources such as radio broadcast and the internet you would understand that it takes years for analysts to sort through the MOUNTAINS of raw data.
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1/4/2007  1:10 PM
Posted by playa2:

If anyone with common sense can see the plane that supposedly hit the pentagon couldn't even be shown , even though there were numerous cameras from many angles from the highway to the gas station to the pentagon itself.

I am ex military, and the pentagon is one of the most hardest places to get to outside of the whitehouse.

ASK MILTARY personel in OTHER countries how difficult it is to engage the untited states with out our own military knowing about it.

Our intelligence is too sophistcated to allow these so called men to cause the damage they caused with the United States knowing not even about it before hand.

Pearl Harbor was the same way, history tells us that the Japanese suprised us that day, but in all reality we intercepted their signals but was told to keep quiet so we could go to war with Japan and destroy it and then rebuild. FOR FREAKIN RE-CONSTRUCTION CONTRACTS !

Our country has been hijacked and americans are too busy watching sports , american Idol and cops to even think this could happen in this country.

[Edited by - playa2 on 12-27-2006 01:22]

You are ex military, I wonder what your MOS was. I am currently a sergeant in the army. I have no doubt that the military would not be capable of executing an operation like this. Youre talking about thousands of people. Basically every person in the government and the military with a top secret security clearance would have to agree to kill thousands of people, and not one person has leaked anything. Hmmm. So a country that couldnt even manage to send a dozen helicoptors to Iran in the 70's to save the hostages in Tehran is now able to undertake an operation where they need to blow up all of downtown New York with Bombs exactly as planes make contact, crash a plane in PA, and blow up the pentagon with a bomb with "military precision". Why didnt they just blame the explosion in the pentagon on a car bomb? Why blame it on a plane? Wouldnt Bush be worried that someone might notice that there was no plane crashing into the pentagon?

And BTW, you claim to be exmilitary, yet you cite "military precision"...not to knock the military, but when have you seen anything in the military done with anything that resembled precision?

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1/4/2007  6:09 PM
Sorry you aren't persuaded, but have you ever heard of secret mission teams.

I was in the Navy 23 yrs ago we took navy seals secretly to El Salvador and they were released on a raft in the water.

That's all I know about their mission, now what they did is a whole diffrent story.

When we came back to port our president at the time(REAGAN) told the "AMERICAN PUBLIC" there were no ships off the coast of EL Salvador in the last 6 months.... and we had just left there.

So when you say 1000 of military would know about top secret covert world changing missions I disagree wholeheartedly.

When there is a "TRUE CONSPIRACY" 5% KNOW ABOUT IT and only 2% are involved. So when you ask or interview the other 93% they would naturaly call you a nut job and ask for the white jackets.

They have elite forces and high ranking military personnel who are sworn to secrecy to their death bed.

Those type of people are rare, they have their own personal beliefs on how this country should be run and murdering their own and blaming someone else to complete their mission means nothing.

Haven't you heard of Northwoods Operation ? They didn't care about killing american cilvian or military personnel for their own agenda.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwoods

same plan different country. The only reason it wasn't carried out is because president Kennedy didn't allow it...and you saw what happen to him

[Edited by - playa2 on 01-04-2007 11:14]
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1/5/2007  1:37 AM
Sorry you aren't persuaded, but have you ever heard of secret mission teams.

I am familiar to secret mission teams but I am not familiar with teams that kill American citizens, and neither are you. If these teams really existed and you had knowledge, you would be dead.
I was in the Navy 23 yrs ago we took navy seals secretly to El Salvador and they were released on a raft in the water.

You inserted a team into enemy lines, similar to countless operations in Iraq (pre war) Cambodia, Laos, Somalia. This is not top secret stuff. What was your security clearance at the time? I doubt it was top secret therefor your operation was not top secret or you would have not been involved.

So when you say 1000 of military would know about top secret covert world changing missions I disagree wholeheartedly.
So when you say 1000 of military would know about top secret covert world changing missions I disagree wholeheartedly.

When there is a "TRUE CONSPIRACY" 5% KNOW ABOUT IT and only 2% are involved. So when you ask or interview the other 93% they would naturaly call you a nut job and ask for the white jackets

Do the math...4 planes, operations teams that had to plant enough explosives to blow up multiple buildings, explosive experts, high level politicians, fake terrorists, financial planners, upper brass, the imaginary people that had to benefit from this attack, not to mention technicians, computer experts, communication experts, aviation experts, and teams to make sure that the imaginary plane that flew into the pentagon was not witnessed or photographed by anyone. How many people do you think that would take?

So the 5% that know about it and the 2% that are involved =.....how many people?
Haven't you heard of Northwoods Operation ? They didn't care about killing american cilvian or military personnel for their own agenda

Yes I am familiar with that "operation" that never happened. so you cant use it for any sort of basis. Cmon man.

Dude, let me ask you a question...if you REALLY think this happened...then what are you doing about it? Why are you still in the country? Why arent you leading an armed resistance against a government that has comitted on of the most harmful acts against its own population in modern history?


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1/5/2007  8:37 AM
Thanks for holding a civil conversation, some don't know how to do that when talking about our fake goverment.

What am I doing about it, personaly by myself there is nothing I can do, but by informing as many people as possible about it hoping it triggers something in them to act.

Basically I'm not a foot soldier in this movement, but a behind the scenes guy.


Motives and Evidence For the U.S. and Israeli
Governments' Involvement in the 9-11 Attacks


Motives of the U.S. wealthy elite, who control our government,
news media, and economy:
Seize the major oil resources of the planet.
Transform the U.S. into a Fascist police state; gain total
control of the population.
Further the goals of Israel. The Neoconservatives who control
the Republican Party, and their partners the Democratic Leadership
Council who control the Democratic Party, have dual loyalties,
and in some cases dual citizenship, in the U.S. and Israel.
Extend U.S. military power further into central Asia and the
Middle East. Surround Russia. Terrorize and dominate the world.
Make hundreds of billions of dollars on weapons sales.
Fulfill JudeoChristian bible prophecy by creating Armageddon --
nuclear war in the Middle East.
Motives of the Israeli government:
Have the U.S. severely weaken the other countries of the Middle East.

Complete the expulsion of the Palestinian people from Palestine (Israel).
Expand the territory of Israel to the extent declared by Theodor Herzl,
the founder of Zionism, and presented to the United Nations in 1947.
Evidence of U.S. involvement:
The Defense Stand-Down
Examination of the Pentagon after the attack showed that
explosives had been planted there. Arab terrorists could not have
done that.

An extensive coverup of the facts.
Evidence of Israeli involvement:
Israeli spies (Mossad) filmed the attack on the World Trade Center and
celebrated when it fell.
Larry Silverstein
Mossad agents were arrested several times in the U.S. with maps
of nuclear sites, in vans that smelled of explosives.

Mossad agents were arrested in the Mexican congress building
carrying explosives!


This is it in a nutshell.

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