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12/23/2006  10:14 PM
Isiah thought Steph's knee limited him tonight. That makes it an official issue.

Is this cause for jubilation or concern?

Francis and Steph will likely be at reduced capacity for the remainder of the season, along with Q. Suddenly our deep backcourt might be anything but deep.

Are JC, Nate, Mardy and Balkman (who I see as a SF) a viable backcourt for a team with playoff aspirations? Do we have a "head" out there yet?

Should we have worked a little harder to acquire an Earl Watson or Marcus Williams?

Do we make a trade to get someone now?

If so, who do we give up? And don't say Francis, James, Steph, Q, Malik, etc, without looking for equally poor values in return.

[Edited by - BlueSeats on 12-23-2006 10:20 PM]
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12/23/2006  10:17 PM
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12/24/2006  12:31 AM
Marbury has been messing with his knee in the 2 back-to-backs.

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12/24/2006  12:57 AM
Posted by oohah:

Marbury has been messing with his knee in the 2 back-to-backs.


I don't expect it will get better. Ditto Francis and Q.

Doesn't mean they won't battle through it and eek out some playing time, but these things need a lot of rest to fix themselves. - If they ever do.
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12/24/2006  1:16 AM
He was so off tonight, I'm almost glad it was physical and not cause Francis came back.
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12/24/2006  1:48 AM
Posted by BlueSeats:
Posted by oohah:

Marbury has been messing with his knee in the 2 back-to-backs.


I don't expect it will get better. Ditto Francis and Q.

Doesn't mean they won't battle through it and eek out some playing time, but these things need a lot of rest to fix themselves. - If they ever do.

They never really do, especially for guys who have to play every 2 days and practice etc. Francis is screwed the worst he relied on his athleticism the most.

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12/24/2006  4:25 AM
Every time I think about the fact that we could have gotten Marcus Williams I feel like beating Isiah's face in with a frying pan. I feel Williams could have been better than Nate, Jamal,Francis and Marbury if he got minutes.
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12/24/2006  4:28 AM
Posted by BigC:

Every time I think about the fact that we could have gotten Marcus Williams I feel like beating Isiah's face in with a frying pan. I feel Williams could have been better than Nate, Jamal,Francis and Marbury if he got minutes.

Williams is getting minutes now. Is he better?

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12/24/2006  9:30 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by BigC:

Every time I think about the fact that we could have gotten Marcus Williams I feel like beating Isiah's face in with a frying pan. I feel Williams could have been better than Nate, Jamal,Francis and Marbury if he got minutes.

Williams is getting minutes now. Is he better?

oohah

give me a break. You yourself said that you really can't judge progress until about a year is over, and you and I well know that it is doubly so for PGs, especially first year ones.

Look at Deron up in Utah. Started horribly and was benched and yo-yo'ed so many times last year. Some times it is for the better of the team, some times it is for the betterment of the player. The Nets are STRUGGLING in a weak Atlantic division, so don't you think the coach is NOT going to give minutes to his rookies (in favor of development) so that he can get some wins playing the vets?
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12/24/2006  9:41 AM
I would like to see Steph rest his knees for the rest of the season(If Francis is healthy enough) to see what this team could do with Francis running the show!
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12/24/2006  9:51 AM
Posted by n24d30:

I would like to see Steph rest his knees for the rest of the season(If Francis is healthy enough) to see what this team could do with Francis running the show!


That's not possible. After missing 8 games and then playing last night Francis is saying he tried to come back too soon and his knee is shot again.
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12/24/2006  9:54 AM
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12/24/2006  9:59 AM
Is that really what he said?
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12/24/2006  10:03 AM
"I don't know, man," Francis said about his knee. "It didn't feel that comfortable. I still felt a step slow. It felt like I was out there for two hours. It's never going to go away, but hopefully I can continue to try to treat it to maintain. I want to get healthy.

"I've been running on the side and doing things like that. There's going to be some discomfort. I just have to bear with it and take my chances. Hopefully it will be better."



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12/24/2006  10:03 AM
give me a break. You yourself said that you really can't judge progress until about a year is over, and you and I well know that it is doubly so for PGs, especially first year ones.

Actually what I wrote was that a few weeks of exceptional play every season doesn't equal progress, and for it to really be called progress, you have to maintain that level of exceptional play. Such as Deron Williams breaking out at the end of last season and continuing it this season.
Look at Deron up in Utah. Started horribly and was benched and yo-yo'ed so many times last year. Some times it is for the better of the team, some times it is for the betterment of the player. The Nets are STRUGGLING in a weak Atlantic division, so don't you think the coach is NOT going to give minutes to his rookies (in favor of development) so that he can get some wins playing the vets?

Deron Williams was a fantasy pick of mine last year and he is on both my teams this year. He did start not horribly last year, unless you consider scoring 12Pts/13 assists, 18/4, 16/9, 17/3, 14/9, 11/8, 5/7, 13/5, 14/3, 18/5 in November starting horribly.

Deron Williams was a pretty good rookie, he slumped as any rookie might, then he finished the year strongly. Big difference between he and M Williams is he always played defense. Another big difference is that D. Williams looks to pass first while M Williams more often looks to score for himself (Just what we need!).

In any case, I am not sure what your reply to me has to do with my reply to Big C. Big C wrote that he believe that Williams would be better than any of our guards given the minutes and I am pointing out to him that Williams IS already getting the minutes and he is not better than our PG's. If you want to say that it is because he is a rookie, that's fine, I wasn't getting into why he is not better. I thought we were talking about this year and what he could do on this team with our guard injury problems, not next year or any other year.
The Nets are STRUGGLING in a weak Atlantic division, so don't you think the coach is NOT going to give minutes to his rookies (in favor of development) so that he can get some wins playing the vets?

Please don't tell me he is not getting minutes because he is. In fact, I haven't seen a PG put in a better position to succeed in years. He is playing 18 minutes per game behind one of the top 3 PG's in the game who is mentoring him, he has finishers galore, and he has not had to fight for his spot or playing time.

Marcus Williams is quite talented. He also would not be doing better on this team, this year, than any of our PG's, given the same amount of minutes they play. I think his play thus far has made that quite clear.

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[Edited by - oohah on 24-12-2006 10:05 AM]
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12/24/2006  10:07 AM
what i've noticed is that frank is encouraging marcus to shoot and has him playing the SG alot of the time (especially when out there with kidd). i think marcus would have a completely different role if he were here. and seeing how andre miller just got everybody involved last night, with guys like curry, frye, lee, and maybe crawford as our core, we still need a guy to get them the ball.
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12/24/2006  10:14 AM
Posted by djsunyc:

what i've noticed is that frank is encouraging marcus to shoot and has him playing the SG alot of the time (especially when out there with kidd). i think marcus would have a completely different role if he were here. and seeing how andre miller just got everybody involved last night, with guys like curry, frye, lee, and maybe crawford as our core, we still need a guy to get them the ball.

I think Frank has to play Williams at SG at this time. Williams was a turnover machine playing the PG by himself, so Frank is utilizing Williams' strength, which at this time is making shots he probably should not be taking.

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12/24/2006  10:18 AM
Posted by oohah:
Posted by djsunyc:

what i've noticed is that frank is encouraging marcus to shoot and has him playing the SG alot of the time (especially when out there with kidd). i think marcus would have a completely different role if he were here. and seeing how andre miller just got everybody involved last night, with guys like curry, frye, lee, and maybe crawford as our core, we still need a guy to get them the ball.

I think Frank has to play Williams at SG at this time. Williams was a turnover machine playing the PG by himself, so Frank is utilizing Williams' strength, which at this time is making shots he probably should not be taking.

oohah

from preseason, frank said that marcus is too good a shooter not to take shots. he said in practice they were surprised by his shooting ability and that they will be asking him to take more shots than be a pure passer. rj echoed those sentiments.

i've been watching some of their games. he's had stretches where he run the team quite well and some instances when he had problems. but one must remember that he's a rookie, backing up kidd and playing with one of the worst benches' in the league. but more importantly, he's a rookie.

deron was drafted top 5 and this year, is looking to be really special. there's no way in knowing whether marcus would be like that without being in a situation to actually run an entire team. most of the time in nj, it's get it to vince (on the iso) and get out of the way.
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12/24/2006  10:24 AM
from preseason, frank said that marcus is too good a shooter not to take shots. he said in practice they were surprised by his shooting ability and that they will be asking him to take more shots than be a pure passer. rj echoed those sentiments.

i've been watching some of their games. he's had stretches where he run the team quite well and some instances when he had problems. but one must remember that he's a rookie, backing up kidd and playing with one of the worst benches' in the league. but more importantly, he's a rookie.

deron was drafted top 5 and this year, is looking to be really special. there's no way in knowing whether marcus would be like that without being in a situation to actually run an entire team. most of the time in nj, it's get it to vince (on the iso) and get out of the way.

I'm totally with you. Rookies need some time to grow, make mistakes, and learn. Star rookies just play great from the jump, like TJ Ford r Chris Paul. I'm just tired of this we passed up on this guard who is better than our nonsense. He is not better than any of our guards except Collins. Maybe he will be in the future, maybe not. I know Francis and Marbury were much better than Williams as rookies.

I don't know how good M Williams would be switched with D. Williams, but I would be willing to bet he would be much worse and they would have a vet starting in front of him. In fact that happened to D. Williams many times last year and he was better than M. Williams.

I am not sure if you are saying that M. Williams doesn't really have the opportunity to run a team the way D. Williams does because of VC. I don't think that is the case. There are (were) plenty of assist opportunities with Jefferson and Krstic, and a couple of those other guys.

While Williams is a better shooter/scorer than many might have expected, he also has a self-centered game in my opinion. Very similar to Marbury or Francis.

I don't want any more of that.

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[Edited by - oohah on 24-12-2006 10:43 AM]
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12/24/2006  11:33 AM
Andre Miller would be perfect for this team. He is a great passer who can throw lobs, defend and rebound. Very little ego as well. :)
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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