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Bonn1997
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What's more important from your PG?
Offense
Defense
They're equally important
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Panos
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12/21/2006  6:44 PM
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Bonn1997
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12/21/2006  6:45 PM
I say the opposite for a PG. Your PG has to be able to run the offense. I can't think of any championship teams that had PGs who couldn't run an offense (unless they had SGs who had the ball in their hands enough to be considered PGs). I'd say defense still matters but you can be a great (even MVP) PG and still struggle on defense. You just have to have good big men clogging the paint.
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12/21/2006  6:45 PM
see Chris Paul to find your answer
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12/21/2006  6:54 PM
Your pg has to have leadership. He is your coach on the floor. While I say PG I really mean ball distributor. Not all pgs are your main ball distributor. You need a guy that makes other players better by geting them the ball at the right time in the right place. You need a guy who can orchestrate the offense in easy times and clutch times. It doesnt have to be the pg but usually it is. He also cant be a turnstyle on the perimeter because that then gets your bigs in early foul trouble which sets the tone for the game

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-21-2006 7:09 PM]
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12/21/2006  7:05 PM
Posted by TMS:

see Chris Paul to find your answer
I think you're saying it's ideal to have a PG who's good on both ends like Paul. (Correct me if I'm misunderstanding your point.) I'd agree with that but my question is which you'd prefer. Let's say you needed a PG and the top two PG FAs in the market were both good but flawed: One was great on offense and average on defense, the other was the reverse. Which would you pick?
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12/21/2006  7:06 PM
SugarRay pretty much covered it
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12/21/2006  7:10 PM
On top of everything else, you need a clutch foul shooter. Are you listening Marbury?
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12/21/2006  7:30 PM
It's equally important for the PG and ANY player to play offense and defense, but I think Sugarray touched the ideal hates of the PG. However, if you have many unselfish players on your teams who are particularly good at passing, then I think you can change the role of your PG if need to be.

Stephon Marbury is a shooting guard who gets a lot of assists from drawing doubles from penetrating. That's not being a PG.
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12/21/2006  7:43 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Your pg has to have leadership. He is your coach on the floor. While I say PG I really mean ball distributor. Not all pgs are your main ball distributor. You need a guy that makes other players better by geting them the ball at the right time in the right place. You need a guy who can orchestrate the offense in easy times and clutch times. It doesnt have to be the pg but usually it is. He also cant be a turnstyle on the perimeter because that then gets your bigs in early foul trouble which sets the tone for the game.

Well said.

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12/21/2006  8:17 PM
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12/21/2006  8:22 PM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

Your pg has to have leadership. He is your coach on the floor. While I say PG I really mean ball distributor. Not all pgs are your main ball distributor. You need a guy that makes other players better by geting them the ball at the right time in the right place. You need a guy who can orchestrate the offense in easy times and clutch times. It doesnt have to be the pg but usually it is. He also cant be a turnstyle on the perimeter because that then gets your bigs in early foul trouble which sets the tone for the game

[Edited by - SugarRayRichardson on 12-21-2006 7:09 PM]
Every quality you listed is an offensive but not defensive component of the game except for the one generality of leadership. I think you unintentionally proved my point.
You need a guy that makes other players better by geting them the ball at the right time in the right place.
Offense
You need a guy who can orchestrate the offense in easy times and clutch times.
Offense
He also cant be a turnstyle on the perimeter because that then gets your bigs in early foul trouble which sets the tone for the game
I'm not sure what turnstyle means but I think you mean he has to be at least adequate on D so that the opponent's PG doesn't penetrate and get the bigs in foul trouble.

So you're saying the PG has to be adequate on defense and has to excel at running the offense. Sounds like the first option to me.


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12/21/2006  8:29 PM
Control the tempo.
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12/21/2006  8:43 PM
I guess I'll throw an example in. Who would you take: Steve Nash (great offense, poor defense) or Charlie /Ward in his prime (below average offense, very good/tough defense)
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12/21/2006  9:00 PM
Seriously?

[Edited by - Rich on 12-21-2006 9:00 PM]
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Posted by Rich:

Seriously?

[Edited by - Rich on 12-21-2006 9:00 PM]
If it's not a good example of why offense matters more than defense from a PG, can you explain why it's not? Or come up with a counter-example?

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 12-21-2006 9:35 PM]
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12/21/2006  9:54 PM
Offense or defense doesn't matter. Magic and Isiah were scorers. Isiah could d up, Magic could not. What mmatters is that your PG can run the offense, determine who needs to get the ball and wehre and when. And as someone else said control the tempo. Too much is made about scoring or not scoring PG's. Both have won in this league.
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Bonn1997
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12/22/2006  9:18 AM
. What mmatters is that your PG can run the offense, determine who needs to get the ball and wehre and when. And as someone else said control the tempo.
In other words, what matters most for a PG is on the offensive end
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12/22/2006  10:02 AM
You should have made this poll more specific to qualities such as BB IQ, Leadership, Game Management, etc etc etc.
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12/22/2006  10:17 AM
You're free to do your own PG poll. I wanted to be concise instead. You can assume the player has all those qualities on the end that he's good at but not on the end that he's bad at in the first two options.
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Posted by Bonn1997:

You're free to do your own PG poll. I wanted to be concise instead. You can assume the player has all those qualities on the end that he's good at but not on the end that he's bad at in the first two options.

Well you do realize you're being very presumptuos, taken for granted, the point gaurd has those other qualities. It would come down to how the team is structured obviously. Going by the establishment of position and it's role from the game's inception the point gaurd is to distribute the ball and play defense, offense would be a bonus.
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