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bettalaylow
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12/14/2006  4:12 PM
Isiah appears has found the solution for all that ails New York Knicks basketball. Thats right zone defense you know the defense that your high school team used yea that defense. Since Isiah seems to be content with his guards unable to play any premieter defense nor does he fret about his team having almost nonexistent inside presence. The Knicks have no resorted to the almighty zone defense preferably 2/3 with a full court press thrown in there (you know so it looks a little more sophisicated). A little food for thought a few years ago teams were only allowed to play man to man defense. Great so we should just keep our fingers crossed and hope we never play any teams with outside shooters.
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12/14/2006  4:27 PM
i think with our depth an aggressive zone is the best thing that this team can do, there are not that many teams out there with great outside shooting, i would take our chances with the way we have been playing defense previously
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12/14/2006  4:28 PM
I agree, with the current roster this is probably the best choice as part of our overall defensive philosophy. Which we haven't yet established of course.
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12/14/2006  4:32 PM
Useless complaint. We won the game where we used the zone and outscored the opponent by 25 points in the second half of the game we lost when we went to the Zone. If it works, why are you complaining?

How many teams can make you pay for going zone? Not that many good shooters anymore.
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
bettalaylow
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12/14/2006  4:38 PM
Assuming that we only allow very few fast break points you do realize that not every game is going to half-court? Btw if your in the mind-set that "oh this team doesen't really have a good outside shooter so our zone will work" your going to be in for a rude awakening I've see the high/low play just completely decimate the zone defense along with slashers.
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12/14/2006  4:47 PM
Did i miss the press conference where Isiah said he's going to go exclusively with the Zone defense? We've had 6 very strong quarters on basketball in a row. Enjoy it some. I'm sure if the Zone isn't working we'll try something else. But wait til it fails before you criticize Zeke for it, my goodness how crazy is that. Hell we're one of the worst defensive teams of all time, can't we be happy when something is working?
lol @ being BANNED by Martin since 11/07/10 (for asking if Mr. Earl had a point). Really, Martin? C'mon. This is the internet. I've seen much worse on this site. By Earl himself. Drop the hypocrisy.
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12/14/2006  4:50 PM
Plain and simple you shoot a bad shoot or don't run the offense:CRAWFORD you should sit because you are annoying teamates with your selfish play and giving the other team face break points
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12/14/2006  6:14 PM
We can play zone and be successful against teams with moronic coaches and depleted offensively
Zone is a good way to mox it up with other defensive sets but not the thing to run with all the time
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12/14/2006  6:36 PM
i hope we're all aware of the fact that we're not the only team playing zone. your making it sound as if we're cheating.
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12/14/2006  6:54 PM
Posted by bettalaylow:

Isiah appears has found the solution for all that ails New York Knicks basketball. Thats right zone defense you know the defense that your high school team used yea that defense. Since Isiah seems to be content with his guards unable to play any premieter defense nor does he fret about his team having almost nonexistent inside presence. The Knicks have no resorted to the almighty zone defense preferably 2/3 with a full court press thrown in there (you know so it looks a little more sophisicated). A little food for thought a few years ago teams were only allowed to play man to man defense. Great so we should just keep our fingers crossed and hope we never play any teams with outside shooters.

This makes sense, you knock him because he recognized a weakness in the team and found a set that worked for them. some one explain to me whats wrong with that. You run a play until the other team stops it, if they cant stop it, then it worked.
Starting with a press was a nice change to make sure the players get into it and to aggrave the opposition a bit. When i read statements like this, it annoys me, because the team does something well and people spin it to make it sound like we're not capable to playing at a higher level. We are capable of playing at a high level, it just hasnt been consistent.
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12/14/2006  7:21 PM
Posted by Michael6835:
Posted by bettalaylow:

Isiah appears has found the solution for all that ails New York Knicks basketball. Thats right zone defense you know the defense that your high school team used yea that defense. Since Isiah seems to be content with his guards unable to play any premieter defense nor does he fret about his team having almost nonexistent inside presence. The Knicks have no resorted to the almighty zone defense preferably 2/3 with a full court press thrown in there (you know so it looks a little more sophisicated). A little food for thought a few years ago teams were only allowed to play man to man defense. Great so we should just keep our fingers crossed and hope we never play any teams with outside shooters.

This makes sense, you knock him because he recognized a weakness in the team and found a set that worked for them. some one explain to me whats wrong with that. You run a play until the other team stops it, if they cant stop it, then it worked.
Starting with a press was a nice change to make sure the players get into it and to aggrave the opposition a bit. When i read statements like this, it annoys me, because the team does something well and people spin it to make it sound like we're not capable to playing at a higher level. We are capable of playing at a high level, it just hasnt been consistent.

Zone defense is just that "a defense." The NBA made it legal and plenty of teams use it during games. IT has switched from zone to man with mixed results, but I see no reason to belittle the strategy. If it works, it works and right now, the team seems to play better defense in the zone.

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bettalaylow
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12/14/2006  7:37 PM
Okay clearly some people did not understand my point. Isiah is always trying to find short-cuts for everything instead of dealing the the problem head on. He has allowed the players to coast with their defense our guards are just flat out lazy when with the pick and roll while are post look like deer in headlights. So Isiah somehow thinks playing zone is the answer instead knocking it in the players head that they need to play better team defense.

Look at the Dallas Mavericks when Don Nelson was coaching it was basically a free for all didn't particularly care what his team did on the defensive end. Granted they had great players in Nash, Finley, and Nowitiski. Avery Johnson comes in and rather than ignore his team's defiencies play totally to their strengths he stresses over and over again the need to play defense. So a team that was maybe 2nd round playoff team becomes a NBA Finals team. Now the Knicks are far away from even being a 2nd round playoff team we certaintely have no caliber of the players Dallas had on that team. So basically my point is that Isiah is a quick fix kind of coach no real answers to the real problems but rather band-aids for a bullet wound.

For those who have never seen any other teams play a great deal other than the Knicks.
The reason why teams (at least the good ones) play mostly man defense? Because if your team cann't play good indivdual as well as team defense your aren't going anywhere. Its one thing when your the the Phoenix Suns and you play at a neckbreaking pace and half court play becomes obsolete. In crunch time its going to be you and your opponent and if you cann't make that final stop there will always be a ceiling on your team's capability.
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12/14/2006  7:38 PM
One thing that also get missed is that we don't have a team that can handle all the picks teams like to use. Curry isn't quick enough and he won't come out to the perimeter to defend a Big that steps out for a long jumper. The same thing happens to Shaq. He just doesn't feel comfortable out away from the basket. So why not go with a zone and it's not just a zone where we stand in spots, they actually move quite a bit to shut down any penetration. With Jared in there, it makes the Zone even tougher to break.

This team is going to get better and better as we move along and Isiah sets the rotation more and the players fully jell. You can see it developing already. So don't hate cuz he's using his head. Isiah did the right thing. Just like he did when he went with more Post ups for Curry. It turned out to be the best thing he's ever done.
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12/14/2006  7:39 PM
A smart coach, mixes it up but will use one D over and over again, until the other team proves they can beat it. Last night, Atlanta had no answer for the zone. A team like the Suns would eat it up. You play accordingly.

What I did see and I loved was the use of the full court press! I think IT only does it with certain lineups, but the last time I saw a NY team do that was under Rick Pitino!
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12/14/2006  8:43 PM
Moving Qrich to the 2 will improve our man defense and we can take our chances with crawford/marbury/francis guarding another teams speedy PG until mardy is ready next year.

But there aren't that many speedy points anymore.

one less when AI goes to the west.

And for the speedy point, we play zone.
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Isiah has found the secret receipe

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