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12/13/2006  10:20 AM
Not with Eddy Curry... I dont see it working.

why?

Teams are going to start doubling Curry... and Jeffries is completely offensively handicapped.. Its like having Ben Wallace on the perimiter.

Jeffries might be a great defensive spark plug off the bench, but i dont know if he can co-exist with CUrry, the both shoot horrible from the FT line - so if Jeffries is at PF then the other big can double Eddy and they can just foul jeffries not allowing layups. If he plays the 3 then its even worse because he will be left open on the perimiter throwing up bricks.

I'm starting to think this is the way to go:

Curry/Frye
Lee/Jeffries
QRich/Balkman
Jamal/Steve
Steph/Nate

10 man rotation.... with balkman and nate getting only limited mibnutes.

I could see Jeffries working at Power Forward along side Frye at the center - because Frye will draw the defense out with his shot and jeffries can mindle underneith for some offensive boards, while on defense he can help out and block some shots.
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12/13/2006  10:30 AM
Don't you think Curry in the post and passing out to Frye is a better option?
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12/13/2006  10:31 AM
i actually think he's an ideal SF to have playing alongside Curry because he's the type of player that doesn't look to score, but does other things like hustle on defense, rebound & block an occasional shot or 2.

we've seen him play 1 game w/the rest of this team off the bench after an entire season w/o any action... he still needs to work himself into playing shape & get back into the groove of things, learn his teammates & gain more confidence in that injured wrist... you could see when he fell to the ground in that last game & immediately grabbed at his injured wrist that he's very aware of it right now... it no doubt is effecting his shot even though it's not the shooting hand... you still use that off hand to steady the shot before you release it, & if he's not yet confident about that wrist, it's going to effect his accuracy, no question.

i did like what i saw from him on the defensive end though... you can clearly see the guy just knows where to place himself on defense & when he should rotate on help defense, & this after all that time he missed this season... it's instinctual w/him... defense is the biggest weakness w/this team right now, so i like JJ starting games for us... i think Balkman is better suited off the bench for now as a sparkplug type player until he develops more of an offensive game, because he likes to run the floor & works well in the open court, just like Nate Robinson & Jamal.
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12/13/2006  10:31 AM
If Jeffries becomes a cutter he can be effective. If he just stands 15-20 feet away nobody is going to bother guarding him. I saw it last game with JJ and 2 games ago with Malik. They just double and triple off those guys
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/13/2006  10:32 AM
What about this lineup instead?
Curry
Lee
Balkman
Qrich
Jcraw
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/13/2006  10:39 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

What about this lineup instead?
Curry
Lee
Balkman
Qrich
Jcraw

replace Balkman w/JJ & that's the starting lineup i've been wanting to see since opening day.
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12/13/2006  10:40 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Jeffries becomes a cutter he can be effective. If he just stands 15-20 feet away nobody is going to bother guarding him. I saw it last game with JJ and 2 games ago with Malik. They just double and triple off those guys


I was going to add that... He needs to CUT CUT CUT like ariza used to do... He cant afford to stand around in Steve kerr land
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12/13/2006  10:41 AM
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Jeffries becomes a cutter he can be effective. If he just stands 15-20 feet away nobody is going to bother guarding him. I saw it last game with JJ and 2 games ago with Malik. They just double and triple off those guys

agreed... JJ's not taking those wide open shots either, so all the more reason for teams to play off him & double Eddy downlow... he needs to be like D Lee & cut to the open area once his man doubles off him, & Eddy needs to learn how to pass out of the double team & hit the cutting man consistently.
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12/13/2006  10:45 AM
Posted by TMS:
Posted by SugarRayRichardson:

If Jeffries becomes a cutter he can be effective. If he just stands 15-20 feet away nobody is going to bother guarding him. I saw it last game with JJ and 2 games ago with Malik. They just double and triple off those guys

agreed... JJ's not taking those wide open shots either, so all the more reason for teams to play off him & double Eddy downlow... he needs to be like D Lee & cut to the open area once his man doubles off him, & Eddy needs to learn how to pass out of the double team & hit the cutting man consistently.

Shaq used to do this better than almost any center i can think of... Maybe Olajuwon?

But Thats what was great about SHaq - he wouldent just kick out to open guys.. he would hit CUTTERS.... when with LA Kobe and the gang would cut cut cut while shaq was posting and shaq would constantly find them with that one handed drop off
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12/13/2006  10:53 AM
CWebb did that well also playing in the low post when he was playing w/Sactown... it's going to take a while for Eddy to get it... he's just now beginning to understand when he should be passing out of the low post & how to maneuver away from it.
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12/13/2006  10:54 AM
good point about the double team. And with Dlee you can cheat a bit also.

Dlee and JJ2 brings alot of hustle but handicaps the offense. Maybe thats why Isiah was leaning towards Frye returning with JJ. Frye can pop that mid range jumper all day.

JJ2 only back one game, I'll give him some time to get into the flow.
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12/13/2006  10:57 AM
Yes Curry is such a great passer we are going to leave channing in as a starter to get no rebounds and hit tough jumpers off of feeds from eddy curry.......

Frankly Frye needs to play backup center get 11 shots off the bench, and balkman needs to take jefferies minutes the guy looks better out there and can finish, nate should be getting 10 mins a game unless are guards are terrible
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12/13/2006  10:58 AM
Shaq was great at hitting cutters. 3 things helped shaq.
1) Taller than everyone
2) Very composed
3) Could palm the ball in one hand like other people would hold a tennise ball
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/13/2006  11:00 AM
How does lee handicap the offense thats the stupidest ****ing thing i have ever heard, he is in the top 5 in the nba in shooting percentage, finishes better than half the league around the rim and can make the pass, handle the ball..........
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12/13/2006  11:06 AM
Lee doesnt handicap our offense at all. Lee is very good offensively. He actually only has a weakness on defense. People seem to have that reversed at times
I LOVED how Curry just exploded in the 4th, speaking as a fan of the Raptors, Curry looked well, scary I think is the word. Or Shaq-like Curry: 19.1ppg-7.3rpg-58%fg
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12/13/2006  11:10 AM
i have no problem with Lee shooting a 15-18 foot jumper i think he will make it 50% of the time
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12/13/2006  11:13 AM
This wont be a problem if Frye finds his shooting touch again.

Q.Rich is playing well at the 3 but I think he will do a lot better at the 2 spot
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12/13/2006  11:15 AM
Posted by Nalod:

good point about the double team. And with Dlee you can cheat a bit also.

Dlee and JJ2 brings alot of hustle but handicaps the offense. Maybe thats why Isiah was leaning towards Frye returning with JJ. Frye can pop that mid range jumper all day.

JJ2 only back one game, I'll give him some time to get into the flow.


This is why LB said DLee wasn't a starter, all other starters outside of curry should be able to knock down an open jumper to keep curry free to operate one on one down low.

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12/13/2006  11:25 AM
Posted by playa2:
Posted by Nalod:

good point about the double team. And with Dlee you can cheat a bit also.

Dlee and JJ2 brings alot of hustle but handicaps the offense. Maybe thats why Isiah was leaning towards Frye returning with JJ. Frye can pop that mid range jumper all day.

JJ2 only back one game, I'll give him some time to get into the flow.


This is why LB said DLee wasn't a starter, all other starters outside of curry should be able to knock down an open jumper to keep curry free to operate one on one down low.

also, DLee was playing SF last year and his perimeter D was not where you would want a starters to be.
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