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Seanc3
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12/11/2006  2:56 PM
Is having major problems.

I'd keep my eye on this story for the next few days as I hear there is going to be a big story about how bad the problems are...
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12/11/2006  2:58 PM
Here is a recent article:



A team coming apart: Dysfunction marks the new Nets
Monday, December 11, 2006

BY DAVE D'ALESSANDRO

Star-Ledger Staff

It was late last week that Rod Thorn finally got around to addressing his stumbling team, which a team president usually saves as a last resort. The message he gave his Nets players was direct, even though he went on for about 20 minutes.

"Basically, it was that we need to come together and play better," Thorn imparted last night. "And that for the 48 minutes, we've been inconsistent. Some nights it's starters, some nights it's guys off the bench. But it has to change."

If it were only that simple. And Thorn is not naive enough to believe that it can change with one pep talk.

For weeks, there have been whispers -- from players and management types, who for obvious reasons don't want to speak for the record -- that this team has legitimate chemistry issues, personality conflicts and breakdowns in mutual trust. For the most part, these matters are unrelated to their jobs, but it has had a profound effect on their performances.

One player, who also requested anonymity so as not to disclose his team's dysfunction, was glib: "We'd make a pretty good HBO series right now," he said.

The hard evidence is sketchy, but the locker-room problems manifest themselves in a dozen little ways. Their fourth-quarter execution, for the most part, is awful. Their best players --notably Vince Carter and Richard Jefferson -- look distracted at times. Their inability to sustain effort is alarming. Their starting lineup, which was one of the most productive in the NBA last year and still pulls in 75 percent of the payroll, rarely takes control of games.

The bottom line, however, is hard to refute: This team has far too much talent to be 7-12, so the chemistry problems must lie elsewhere.

"I don't want to deny that on any team you have something going on time to time," Thorn said, "and our team is no different from anyone else."

Lawrence Frank is a bit less vague.

"We lose focus and concentration," the coach said yesterday. "Obviously, I think we're getting what we deserve right now. It's hard to say -- whatever you want to chalk it up to. We've been selective with different things at different times. It's a recurring deal. We're talking about the same things the last month. From ability to sustain focus, production, effort, whatever you want to call it. We just can't piece it together."

When asked whether the focus/concentration problems were related to a more deep-rooted problem in the locker room, Frank would neither confirm nor deny it.

"Look," he said, "at end of day, we come to work and do our jobs because we're getting paid. And the focus has to be on the court."

Thorn's response to the same question: "I don't think we have any problems in our locker room, no," he said. "But maybe you lose confidence -- in yourself and each other. We have to get our swagger back."

At the same time, however, Thorn has been around long enough to know that teams just grow tired of each other, or stay together too long.

"That's certainly a possibility," he said. "There are very few sure things in pro sports."

And could that be happening with this team?

"You know, I wouldn't say that at this time," he said. "We've had four times when we've led going into the fourth quarter (and lost). We used to close well, but we just haven't this year. Last year it used to be the bench, this time it's both the bench and starters. But we're still in good shape in our division. I'm not using that as crutch, but we're probably in better shape than we were last year, vis-à-vis our division. It's there for us."

Frank, whom Thorn praised again yesterday as a "terrific" coach who is "not the problem in any way," couldn't predict where this season is going, either. He added that he has never told his superiors that the personnel needs to be changed -- just to shake up the chemistry -- and never would.

"I'm hired to coach the team," Frank said. "Everyone is disappointed with where we're at -- whether it's a player or coach or management or ownership. As a coach, my job is to find a way with whatever guys we have here. The core of our team has shown what it's capable of doing."

And if that core suddenly decides it no longer wants to be the core?

"Well," he said, "I'll just say we're committed to doing it with the group we have."

Get inside the Nets with beat writer Dave D'Alessandro's blog on NJ.com/nets, where you can chat with Dave every Thursday at noon.

He may be reached at

ddalessandro@starledger.com




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12/11/2006  3:01 PM
Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...
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12/11/2006  3:10 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...


And to think, this all could have been averted if Marcus Williams hadn't stolen Richard Jefferson's diary.
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12/11/2006  3:12 PM
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...

RJ is gay? He's kind of, well he's got some traits--not that there is anything wrong with that:(
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12/11/2006  3:15 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...


And to think, this all could have been averted if Marcus Williams hadn't stolen Richard Jefferson's diary.

LOL.
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12/11/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...

RJ is gay? He's kind of, well he's got some traits--not that there is anything wrong with that:(

a friend sent me the story...not sure how I feel about posting it here, I was sort of waiting for it to blow up on it's own...
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12/11/2006  3:16 PM
Posted by tomverve:
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...


And to think, this all could have been averted if Marcus Williams hadn't stolen Richard Jefferson's diary.

people were telling RJ to password protect his laptop...
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12/11/2006  3:22 PM
RJ has all the traits, he'd certainly be my guess.
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12/11/2006  3:24 PM
Is Isiah GM of the Nets too?
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12/11/2006  3:25 PM
Marcus Williams!!!!!!!!! Chemistry cancer!!
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12/11/2006  3:40 PM
Posted by firefly:

Marcus Williams!!!!!!!!! Chemistry cancer!!

lol!
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12/11/2006  3:57 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

Is the thing where one of their players is considering coming out of the closet? I heard about this and was wondering how true it was...

RJ is gay? He's kind of, well he's got some traits--not that there is anything wrong with that:(

I see it too ... but remember that post a while back where someone said Frye was always hanging around RJ's pad ... ya know, they're both Arizona guys.
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12/11/2006  4:05 PM
Frye is not gay, i heard RJ always has a lot of girls ... I dont think hes gay.. a player i thought was gay was Matt Barnes
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12/11/2006  4:49 PM
nets would be better off divesting at this point. trade vince. trade jkidd. trade rj.

on a side note, in total joan rivers mode, there's a friend that saw something in rj's house that could be used as evidence by those that believe he is the player that is bisexual.

key words being "could be."
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12/11/2006  5:05 PM
Maybe this is why we don't get up and play man to man D against NJ...
now what's the excuse for the other 28 teams?
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12/11/2006  5:29 PM
Posted by Elite:

Frye is not gay, i heard RJ always has a lot of girls ... I dont think hes gay.. a player i thought was gay was Matt Barnes

MAtt Barnes? Kinda random. Why? B/c he was reclusive and not social with teamates?
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12/11/2006  5:41 PM
Hmmm, the coming out thing seems unlikely. I could be wrong but Frank, Thorne, Kidd, Carter, and Kristic act more or less like adults. Seems to me if there's some locker room tension because someone on the team has come out of the closet (or got outed) that they wouldn't tolerate any **** in the locker room. I can't see those guys being threatened by gayness, not even gayness in the locker room. I can, however, see a player or two causing problems by being a **** about it. And I can see the Nets trying to keep the tension in-house. But, again, I think the leaders on that team would deal with it appropriately. Maybe I underestimate them. I'm sure it would be an issue in the Knick's lockerroom and I can't imagine Marbury or Zeki handling it reasonably. It seems far more likely that losing is eating up the Nets and that worrying about trades and contracts and all that is causing problems.
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12/11/2006  5:42 PM
I think the issue is more that it would a season long distraction with BS ESPN reporters following the team around.
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12/11/2006  5:50 PM
It would not shock me in the least if Kidd has a problem with gays.

Carter, of course, played in his high school band.
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