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PresIke
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12/9/2006  2:05 PM
I think this article from yesterday is pretty fair. It doesn't necessarily blame Knick fans for booing, and recognizes that there are legitamate reasons why fans boo, which I empathize with -- maybe to the surprise of some here -- but points out that it could have some effect, although the sample size may be too small to use as a fair piece of evidence.

I think the point about how it might be a problem with the relationship between fans and the organization seems quite valid. That seems to provide even more evidence to support the notion as to why MSG has been trying to pamper diehards like djsu, at games, whenever they can now. I'm sure this has been discussed quite frequently by suits at MSG/The Knicks marketing department.
December 8, 2006
At Home, Knicks Go From Bad to Worse
By HOWARD BECK

The staff directory for the Knicks lists six assistant coaches, two athletic trainers, two doctors and one person with the oddly vague title of team assistant.

There may not be enough office space at 2 Penn Plaza to accommodate a squad of psychologists, sociologists and relationship specialists, but the Knicks might consider adding some cubicles and couches if they hope to save their season.

The Knicks are bad, which is not news. But they are having a new sort of identity crisis that screams for professional help. In games played outside New York, the Knicks are proudly mediocre, with a 5-6 record. But they have lost 8 of their first 10 games at Madison Square Garden, which has gone from being the World’s Most Famous Arena to the World’s Crankiest Home Court.

Fans boo, a lot. They chant for various folks to be fired. They taunt their star players. Sometimes it all starts before the game is six minutes old.

“It’s New York,” said the star guard Stephon Marbury, a native of Coney Island. “They’re always going to boo us if we’re not playing well, period.”

Marbury says this with a shrug, echoing the sentiments of his teammates. But the Knicks are better at shrugging than they are at ignoring. While the Knicks seem to play freely on the road, their home record suggests they are freaked out, rattled, tense and tentative.

And if the record did not suggest all of that, Coach Isiah Thomas has, and often. The Knicks were 0-2 at home when Thomas first complained about the boos, saying, “Fans play a big role in winning and losing in the arena.” By the time they reached 1-7, Thomas was convinced of the cause, saying, “I think it’s totally mental.”

Fans might dismiss Thomas’s psychoanalytical skills as quickly as they dismiss his coaching and his roster management. But he might have a point.

“It’s all in the mind; of course it is,” said Dr. Paul Baard, a sports psychologist at Fordham who has studied anxiety and player performance. “You can wake these guys in the middle of the night and they can hit a 3-pointer. But not when they think about it.”

And that, it would seem, is the problem for the Knicks. Sometimes all it takes is a first-quarter turnover for fans to boo Marbury, or a missed free throw to boo Eddy Curry. If players feel a sense of dread, anticipating the inevitable taunts, then their concentration is blown.

Baard, who has worked with a number of players and coaches, has seen it before. Among those he has advised are the former major leaguers Frank Tanana and Brett Butler and the George Mason basketball coach, Jim Larranaga.

“Anxiety does funny things to people, and it’s very, very contagious,” Baard said. He advised that Thomas’s focus “needs to be on containing anxiety” and noted: “That’s easier said than done. But it’s always what we’re dealing with.”

Rather than feeding the players’ anxiety by pointing out the fans’ behavior, Thomas should be telling his players to pay them no mind. Thomas, in fact, took that tack this week.

“Don’t start thinking you’re worthless because someone says you’re worthless,” Baard said. “And don’t blame the fans. Don’t let them do that. You are responsible for how you are and how you act.”

Contrary to Thomas’s assertions, the Knicks’ players generally say that the boos have little or no impact.

“I think if people are doing that, we’ve got bigger problems,” forward David Lee said. “I think all of us have been playing basketball long enough that we should be able to get through it.”

In the meantime, the Knicks have apparently lost the vaunted home-court advantage that teams so often cling to like a security blanket. Although not easily defined, the home advantage “is there, it’s real, it’s a phenomenon that’s been studied for 30 years,” said D. Randall Smith, a sociology professor at Rutgers who has authored some of those studies.

According to the “Encyclopedia of World Sport,” to which Smith contributes, pro basketball teams generally win 64 to 65 percent of their home games.

There are exceptions, though they are rare. Only four N.B.A. teams since 1991 have finished with a better record on the road than at home. The Houston Rockets were the last, going 15-26 at home and 19-22 on the road last season.

The worst home record since the N.B.A. adopted the 82-game schedule was posted by the 1993-94 Dallas Mavericks, who went 6-35. At their present rate, the Knicks would finish 8-33 at home.

But before Garden officials issue a no-booing edict, or begin revoking tickets from anyone chanting, “Fire Thomas,” Smith has some words of caution for everyone involved.

“Maybe this is a little bit of a statistical blip,” he said. “It’s still a little early for this.”

In other words, 10 games is too small a sample on which to base anything, including the idea that the Knicks are too frazzled to win at home.

“Home-advantage stuff sort of gets blown out of proportion a little bit, in terms of its effect on the outcome of the game,” Smith said. “Good teams are going to be good no matter where they are playing, bad teams are going to be bad teams no matter where they are playing, and mediocre teams are going to be mediocre teams no matter where they are playing.” He added, “This kind of discussion feeds the fans’ belief that they influence the outcome of the game,” which is not necessarily the case.

After 21 games, the Knicks (7-14) are on the wrong side of mediocre. Yet their road record — which includes victories at Denver, Cleveland and Miami — ranks among the top 10 in the league, and seems to suggest they are not horrible.

But try telling that to the irritable folks in the Garden seats. They are booing for a reason, and they are not about to stop just because Thomas thinks it is affecting the Knicks’ mojo.

“If they want less boos, they should play harder,” said Hughie Choe, a 23-year-old from Manhattan who attended Monday’s victory against Memphis. “They knew what they were getting into when they came to play here.”

So maybe what is needed is not a psychologist at all, but a relationship counselor. After all, the boos are merely the sign of a fractured relationship between team and fan.

“The Knicks aren’t getting any love from their fans, and that is what happens when a relationship falters,” April Masini, a self-styled relationship expert, said in an e-mail message. “When the players feel the love, they play better. When the fans feel the love from the team, they love harder and root louder.”

Masini, the author of four books and the AskApril.com Web site, said the dynamic was akin to a quarreling couple.

“To the fans, their feeling is that the Knicks cheated on them, the same way a boyfriend might betray a girlfriend. Now the fans aren’t so eager to get back together without some serious apologizing by the Knicks. And jewelry never hurts.”

Michael S. Schmidt contributed reporting.

Copyright 2006 The New York Times Company

[Edited by - PresIke on 12-09-2006 2:06 PM]
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12/9/2006  2:07 PM
I agree that MSG has pampered djsunyc too much.
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djsunyc
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12/9/2006  2:12 PM
That seems to provide even more evidence to support the notion as to why MSG has been trying to pamper diehards like djsu, at games, whenever they can now.

i think msg has been more considering of season ticketholder needs because the team is losing. i think it's that simple. since the marketing department can't sell the team as a winning one, they are focusing on fan experience at the garden instead. when team's continue to lose, then season ticket sales drop. they have to stop the bleeding and the only way they can do it is to "up" the perks of the fans. i don't think they can control whether the fans boo or temper their tolerance levels. they are just fearful of losing money when somebody doesn't re-up. the knicks have the highest price tickets in the league so they have to increase the benefits. when the team wins, that sells itself. but when it doesn't, they have to enhance the experience.
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12/9/2006  2:12 PM
Posted by BasketballJones:

I agree that MSG has pampered djsunyc too much.

pamper? i've been asking for lap dances for 4 years now, but they never obliged.

well they did once, but i was not expecting brendan suhr to show up...

[Edited by - djsunyc on 12-09-2006 2:13 PM]
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12/9/2006  2:35 PM
When a Psychiatrist/Psycologist is involved with the Knicks you know this franchise is going nowhere.

[Edited by - SeatsBlue on 12-09-2006 2:25 PM]
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12/9/2006  3:12 PM
They are booing for a reason

This is what it comes down to. The fans are booing because the Knicks are an awful team/organization. The Knicks aren't playing bad because the fans are booing.
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12/9/2006  3:14 PM
when they finish paying this shrink off for the article they can hire him on to testify against Anucha in her harassment trial.

Go get 'em, Isiah!
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12/9/2006  3:17 PM
I thought that Alan Hahn's blog was pretty fair.
Remember the story of Mark Jackson walking through a Queens neighborhood as a rookie in 1988? It was just before the Knicks were to make their first playoff appearance in four years, Jackson went out to his hometown of St. Albans and played some playground basketball. “I can’t forget where I came from,” Jackson said at the time.

He was, and is, New York. He got it. He understood the importance of that renaissance season for the Knicks and the enormity of that playoff series against the Boston Celtics, who then were still up there with the Lakers as the NBA’s elite. The Knicks went out in four games in that series. They got one win, at MSG, in Game 3. The Garden rocked that night like it hadn’t since the championship years. Those fans had waited a long time for a team they could believe in. More importantly, they waited a long time for a team they could associate with. Patrick Ewing was the unequivocal star of the team, but Jackson, he was one of them.

And, on top of that, the coach was Rick Pitino, a tough kid from Long Island who also knew what the New York crowd was all about.

I'm not saying you have to be from New York to know what the New York crowd is all about. But it helps to at least have an understanding of it.

Fast-forward to the present-day Knicks and the smile on Isiah Thomas’ face when he was in Detroit. The people there loved him. It was a hero’s welcome. His number hangs from the rafters and his name is painted on the court. Many of his records still dominate the Pistons media guide.

He is a Piston. He comes from the West Side of Chicago, but seems to be more at home in Detroit. The people there get him and he gets them.

And, with all due respect to his stature as one of the greatest point guards this game has ever seen, he doesn't get New York. And more and more I'm realizing -- perhaps he is too -- that he is completely out of his element here.

Isiah Thomas knows basketball, let’s make that perfectly clear. His resume clinches his place among the all-time greats.

And I believe the fans that were booing and chanting for his head on Wednesday night at the end of the Wizards 113-102 beat-down at the Garden were too caught up in a mob-mentality to consider that Washington was unconscious from the perimeter. Not too many teams could have overcome a 14 for 20 onslaught from three-point range. But not too many teams would have given up that many open looks from downtown, either.

Plus, it was more entertaining to boo and chant. When all else fails, get someone fired. Especially if it's a guy you know is on borrowed time.

It's even easier when it's someone you consider an outsider, which is what Thomas remains in the eyes of the fans despite three-plus years running the Knicks organization.

To his credit, Isiah has tried to understand the fans. He has tried to relate to them with attempts to equate his rugged upbringing in Chicago to enduring the harsh New York spotlight.

There’s problem No. 1: don’t ever try to equate anything with New York. There’s a reason why Chicago is called the Second City.

Problem No. 2 is his lack of understanding of the New York attitude. He is totally confused as to why the Garden fans seem to be harder on the home team than they are on the visiting team. What he doesn't realize is the Garden fans are equal-opportunity hecklers. But they're also extremely demanding of their time and money. You take the time to commute to the Garden, drop a couple hundred on a game and get home late on a week night, you want to see something more than a passive 2-3 zone and confusion in the offensive set.

Here’s a brief explanation about New York basketball fans: they come to the Garden to see good basketball, no matter which of the two teams is playing it. It is one of the entitlements we feel come with being a New Yorker, along with EZPass and partying with Lindsay Lohan.

If they don’t get it from the home team, they’ll admire the visitor. They'll come to see a classic team like the San Antonio Spurs, or an electrifying team like the Phoenix Suns. For years the Garden was like Michael Jordan’s second home in the NBA, because he always came to perform and he rarely disappointed. Many NBA greats have figured that out and used the Garden as their personal stage. Reggie Miller played the villain on Broadway better than anyone has in Phantom of the Opera. He had the crowd hissing and groaning with every big basket. He made a career in Indiana, but he made a legend at the Garden.

LeBron James has yet to figure out the stage that the Garden offers him. If Kobe Bryant played in the East, he’d own this place like Michael did, for sure. (I had to get that one in...oh, and LeBron's sneakers are ugly, too).

Now if the home team is performing well, then they’re on your side like your best friend in a street fight. Jackson’s Knick team in 1988 couldn’t come close to competing with the Celtics, who seemed to use that series as a warm-up for another run to the NBA Finals. But the Garden fans saw something in that Knicks team that was lacking during those lean years when Bernard King was always injured and Ewing was still very raw. They saw something to believe in and, as a result, they put their voices behind the team even though they knew the Celtics would eventually win.

Jeff Van Gundy never asked the crowd to chant his name. He just put in his work and the Garden crowd took notice and, when there was concern that Van Gundy might be fired, the home crowd used its power and influence to save the job of this fiesty little coach with the stringy comb-over. Why? Because he was one of them.

Like Van Gundy, Pitino, Jackson, Xavier McDaniel, Charles Oakley, John Starks, Latrell Sprewell, Larry Johnson and so on., there was an understanding that if you performed, you’d get cheers. If you failed, you’d get boos. That’s life in New York no matter what you do.

Just ask Bob Dylan. Like Isiah, he’s a legend in his field. But his Broadway attempt, The Times They Are A-Changin’ stunk like the No. 3 train on a steamy summer night.

And the New York crowd let him know it.

Old New York City is a friendly old town,
From Washington Heights to Harlem on down.
There's a-mighty many people all millin' all around,
They'll kick you when you're up and knock you when you're down.
It's hard times in the city,
Livin' down in New York town.

In some other NBA cities, such as Sacramento, the home crowd doesn’t get down on the home team. If the home team is bad, they just heckle the road team even more. That type of homerism doesn’t fly here, man. It just doesn’t. You want to be coddled and get pats on the back? Go to the one-newspaper cities where the lights all turn green at the same time and the restaurants close as 11 p.m. And enjoy life in the oblivion.

You want to be part of something that is bigger than life? Do it in New York. Endure the scrapes of the daily media buzzsaw. Toughen your skin against the cynicism. Ride the wave of emotions that this city can generate until you find yourself energized by it.

No, it’s not for everyone. It really wasn’t for Ewing for all of those years. But ask him if he remembers how he felt standing on top of that scorer’s table in June 1994, with his arms extended as if accepting a hug from a city of millions. Ask him if that healed a lot of wounds from earlier in his career.

Ask him how it feels now to feel the love like he does every time he enters the building. That kind of love doesn’t just materialize when you put on the Knick logo. It doesn’t come because of what you were when you got here, but what you became while you were here.

It’s funny, but one of the crowd’s biggest targets outside of Thomas is Stephon Marbury, who is Brooklyn born and one of the Garden’s own as a kid growing up and attending Knick games. The hating definitely effects him, but you never hear him say a thing about it. He knows that’s New York. “I’d boo, too,” he once told me. “I used to boo.”

So, Isiah, my advice to you is to stop telling the fans what to do. Stop telling the players not to listen to the fans. Instead, make sure they hear them. Make sure the fans reactions motivate you, one way or the other. Make sure you understand exactly what they're feeling and why.

Because, you see, when it gets quiet in the Garden, well, that’s when you’re really in trouble.
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